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Old 11-28-18 | 09:12 AM
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I have my Zunow and a Gazelle Opafiets and both are rust buckets. Finding Oxalic Acid here in Cambodia is hard or expensive.
So is there an alternative for rust removal other than purely physical, either sanding or wire brushing.

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Old 11-28-18 | 10:42 AM
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For rust on chrome, try aluminum foil. https://www.google.com/search?q=alum...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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Old 11-28-18 | 01:28 PM
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Some products used to shine stainless steel will contain OA. I use barkeeps friend and it does a good job for being a deluded product. Good for parts derusting mostly though.
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I've had good results soaking small parts in white vinegar.
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Old 11-28-18 | 01:52 PM
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Try simichrome paste for light rust. Steel wool for tougher jobs when looks don't really matter
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Old 11-28-18 | 02:20 PM
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+1 on the barkeeper’s friend. Does wonders on chrome, and will do well on most other surfaces as well.
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Old 11-28-18 | 02:36 PM
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I use coarser grade of steel wool.
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Barkeeper's Friend is primarily made from oxalic acid.
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Originally Posted by debade
For rust on chrome, try aluminum foil. https://www.google.com/search?q=alum...hrome&ie=UTF-8
I thought rubbing with aluminum foil just deposits a bit of aluminum on the rusty surface and doesn't really do anything to remove the rust.
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Originally Posted by bwilli88
Finding Oxalic Acid here in Cambodia is hard or expensive.
Wood bleach? Teak cleaner?
If you can find them, both are mostly oxalic acid.
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How about electrolysis ?
The frame submerged in a solution of water / washing soda, an old car battery, a battery charger, some copper wire, a cathode (steel plate, rebar, etc), and Bob's yer uncle:

Rust removal by electrolysis

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I thought rubbing with aluminum foil just deposits a bit of aluminum on the rusty surface and doesn't really do anything to remove the rust.
My understanding is, the crinkled aluminum is a mild abrasive.
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Old 11-29-18 | 07:32 AM
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In Cambodia? Probably no more common rust remover than phosphoric acid. If you can't find it look for the bottle that says "Coca-cola"

A 24 hour soak cures a lot. Then a wire brush and retreat if necessary.
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WD40 and really fine steel wool 000.
Go down to the river and find a boatyard and ask the local wags what they use.

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I've used razor blade and scraped tougher spots that steel wool slid over.
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Originally Posted by mixteup
Wood bleach? Teak cleaner?
If you can find them, both are mostly oxalic acid.
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How about electrolysis ?
The frame submerged in a solution of water / washing soda, an old car battery, a battery charger, some copper wire, a cathode (steel plate, rebar, etc), and Bob's yer uncle:
Id be afraid the electrolysis would damage the chrome finish also like it could do to paint or clear coat.
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Yes - Electrolysis will definitely remove paint
However, the bike he's talking about, a really beat Zunow, is way past the paint saving stage, so electrolytic de-rusting might actually be a plus, if it removed the rest of the paint on that bike.

If the paint is a concern, then OA is the way to go - Unless it's RED paint, which will fade ........... DAMHIKT ..........
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I have a 220volt/12volt battery charger. It works real well as an electrolytic rust remover. I took baking soda and baked it at 300 degrees for an hour which changes it from Bicarbonate of soda to sodium carbonate or washing soda. That gave a better bath and it worked very well. 20 minmutes and most of the rust was gone.

I changed the solution to a large round tub to do a couple of forks and some rack parts. more pictures coming. It was super easy.

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That is most excellent !
I've used electrolysis to de-rust all kinds of crusty machinery.
When you first see it done, it seems like magic
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I thought rubbing with aluminum foil just deposits a bit of aluminum on the rusty surface and doesn't really do anything to remove the rust.
Been de-rusting parts for years, using aluminum foil, and I cannot complain one single bit about the results. True, if there is pitting, aluminum foil will not work to eliminate the pits, but surface oxidation is GONE! And, I keep the cleaned chrome waxed, using Mother's Cleaning wax and the chrome remains bright and shiny as time passes - so far and I have been using foil for more than a decade, perhaps two.

Also, I try to make my hobby of street restoring vintage bicycles, as green as possible. I will do my best to avoid chemicals when doing my vintage bike thing.
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I've heard brass wool is better than steel wool? Haven't tried it myself yet.
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I've heard brass wool is better than steel wool? Haven't tried it myself yet.
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+1 Aluminum foil. My experience with steel wool on chrome was that it left tiny scratches that I was never able to remove making future rust harder to fight.
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Originally Posted by bwilli88
I have my Zunow and a Gazelle Opafiets and both are rust buckets. Finding Oxalic Acid here in Cambodia is hard or expensive.
So is there an alternative for rust removal other than purely physical, either sanding or wire brushing.

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Interesting. It's as common as dirt here in Mexico. It is used to polish the ubiquitous cement tile floors.
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Old 12-04-18 | 03:46 AM
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So, this magic works. I am so impressed. I just need to dry the piece and take a hard brush and the loose paint comes right off. If you want to save paint you might want to try OA instead.

Before the rack

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After the rack and seat stay

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The "rusty" spots are really the bare metal showing through.
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Old 12-04-18 | 10:28 AM
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you can soak paper towels in vinegar, if you dont have a way to soak them, wrap the paper towel around parts you wish to derust. not sure how well it would work on really rusty parts but light rust works well.
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