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gaucho777 06-06-19 01:27 AM


Originally Posted by abellanti (Post 20824506)
I would love to have one of his complete bikes.

For $1k, you can get your very own broken Passoni frame:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PASSONI-PRI...wAAOSwdd5c98gY

P!N20 10-09-19 09:53 PM

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/4d...7703d4bb6f.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/d7/c1/99/d...components.jpg

"A hand-made gadget by a certain Japanese enthusiast." Stronglight 49 crankarms with spoked-wheel spider armature, made of thin spokes (1.2mm diameter), with 51- and 45-tooth Simplex chainrings, on a custom Toei bike

Reynolds 10-09-19 10:27 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...519ef5b5e4.jpg

Campagnolo Electa pneumatic saddle. A friend of mine had one, didn't like it, sold it for very good money.

Reynolds 10-09-19 10:36 PM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5beaa5d451.jpg

Erta brake levers.

Chombi1 10-10-19 03:13 AM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d624ac7fa1.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...14083a6d2f.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cc342c4644.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a966a2e59a.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ff1828dbf9.jpg

Forgot I even had this.
Got it from eBay after seeing it languish for a very long time with no buyers. Look like it was never mounted or used on a bike.
It's a very unique saddle that has a thick Cordura cover stretched over a plastic cantle and adjustable nose piece (with a tension bolt through the nose) with reinforcing woven nylon straps under the cover. There are also partial side shells to give the saddle shape and clearance for one.s legs, but just Cordura material and the under straps at the top. Works with tension just like a leather Brooks saddle.
No idea who made it and where it came from and when. I suspect from the late 80's or early 90's from the style/shape of the saddle. Only markings on it are the letters PHO, molded on to the back of the cantle.
Although I was thinking of using it on one of my C&V CF bikes mostly because of the woven Cordura texture that is similar to CF weave, I don't think I'll ever use it after all as I'm not sure if it might be able to still hold up any rider weight securely, but it's just a very interesting component to look at.

martl 10-10-19 08:34 AM

https://fotos.rennrad-news.de/f/pl/r...imaManta.jpg?0

martl 10-10-19 08:43 AM

another Oddball from Mavic:

https://fotos.rennrad-news.de/f/sa/7...c850_002.jpg?0

Wildwood 10-10-19 09:10 AM

A Teuns crankset.
Anybody got any info on it?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7988f590.jpeg

martl 10-10-19 11:56 PM

[MENTION=22396]Wildwood[/MENTION] The company is "Thun" (Germany/Ennepetal) and is still around. The "Coronado" was found on midrange sports bikes and, sometimes, inexpensive racers. It is quite notorious for being super-soft and to be very easy to bend.

Drillium Dude 10-11-19 12:25 AM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6b77ef4a72.jpg

DD

Lascauxcaveman 10-11-19 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by Chombi1 (Post 21157594)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d624ac7fa1.jpg

...
It's a very unique saddle that has a thick Cordura cover stretched over a plastic cantle and adjustable nose piece (with a tension bolt through the nose) with reinforcing woven nylon straps under the cover....

Concept-wise, it seems completely viable, otherwise Aeron chairs would not be so popular. If I had one of these, I be awfully temped to use it, unless it felt too soft right out of the box.

nomadmax 10-11-19 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by Salamandrine (Post 20839652)
OK, I give up. That's a stumper. What is the purpose of this 3 part water bottle? I'm thinking it isn't supposed to be used for water....

Like many things in the cycling world, "It's for selling". ;)

Wildwood 10-11-19 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by martl (Post 21159100)
[MENTION=22396]Wildwood[/MENTION] The company is "Thun" (Germany/Ennepetal) and is still around. The "Coronado" was found on midrange sports bikes and, sometimes, inexpensive racers. It is quite notorious for being super-soft and to be very easy to bend.

Well no wonder I never found any info.

It is currently on a bike dedicated to 'light riding' days on a Frejus with the notoriously short top tube.
Almost went on an AD Vent Noir, for aesthetic reasons, but I decided a shiny Stronglight would be a better choice for that bike.
And with your input, it will not go on a black Holdsworth Special in the future.

If my nearly 70yo legs bend/break it - would be a first - I will report on the 'accomplishment'. :D
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d952a2fbc.jpeg

martl 10-11-19 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Wildwood (Post 21159334)
Well no wonder I never found any info.

It is currently on a bike dedicated to 'light riding' days on a Frejus with the notoriously short top tube.
Almost went on an AD Vent Noir, for aesthetic reasons, but I decided a shiny Stronglight would be a better choice for that bike.
And with your input, it will not go on a black Holdsworth Special in the future.

If my nearly 70yo legs bend/break it - would be a first - I will report on the 'accomplishment'. :D

i had a quite harmless fall on a bike equipped with one of these (slipped at low speed on wet leafs) and went to see a bikeshop because pedalling felt awkward. I suspected i bent my nice Campagnolo pedal axle, but the mech just smiled and told me a Campa pedal doesn't bend, but the Coronados always do. He was right.

As for the quality, the spider is just pressed on and also has a reputation of coming lose. Not exactly a masterpiece of german engineering...

crank_addict 10-14-19 12:20 PM

'Stepping' into the modern era, circa 1995 from Norway, we present a one way rotational pedal. :foo:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3cf1730214.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c375eb06c4.jpg

SJX426 10-14-19 12:46 PM

Although these are labeled Suntour, they are also labeled as Pederson Self Energizing System brake calipers. Pederson sold his design to Suntour after introducing them to the market. You don't see them around much but they work well on a tandem. As the pads engage the rim, the caliper moves forward on a screw to increase the pressure. Originally there were front brakes too but Suntour didn't want to deal with the liability of the brakes not releasing or locking the front wheel. They are a challenge to set up but once they are set up right, they do perform well.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7327/1...2f6e9b7b_k.jpg
P1010340, on Flickr

tyler90 09-28-20 01:41 PM

Reviving this thread in hopes of more additions. Love all the oddities!

JohnDThompson 09-28-20 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildwood (Post 21157978)
A Teuns crankset.
Anybody got any info on it?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7988f590.jpeg

Looks like a Teuns Coronado-branded Ofmega Forgiato crank:

https://www.velobase.com/CompImages/...01EDFAEC8.jpeg
VeloBase.com - Component: Ofmega Forgiato (cotter-less)

Drillium Dude 09-28-20 04:44 PM

Flite carbon saddle:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b14aa59d46.jpg

DD

pcb 09-28-20 08:36 PM

I rode one of those once, on about a 3mi commute home. For the first 3-4 blocks I was convinced it was the best saddle I had every ridden. Then it started to get weird, and my keyster and my brain started sending mixed messages back and forth. For the last mile I had to ride standing up because sitting on it any more was unbearable.

But definite cool-factor points.


Originally Posted by Drillium Dude (Post 21718246)


pcb 09-28-20 08:42 PM

IIRC it was a licensing deal, not a purchase. Pedersen got a percentage of sold units, can't remember if there was a disastrous minimum fee like with WTB products. They went into production at a time when Suntour spec market share was rapidly shrinking, so not many were sold.

They worked pretty nicely as rear brakes, but were a lockup liability nightmare for the front.


Originally Posted by SJX426 (Post 21163390)
Although these are labeled Suntour, they are also labeled as Pederson Self Energizing System brake calipers. Pederson sold his design to Suntour after introducing them to the market. You don't see them around much but they work well on a tandem. As the pads engage the rim, the caliper moves forward on a screw to increase the pressure. Originally there were front brakes too but Suntour didn't want to deal with the liability of the brakes not releasing or locking the front wheel. They are a challenge to set up but once they are set up right, they do perform well.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7327/1...2f6e9b7b_k.jpg
P1010340, on Flickr


pcb 09-28-20 08:59 PM

Gee, and there I was thinking I'd live the rest of my life in a happy place, without ever seeing another one of these again.

The amount of money and engineering-/production-hours thrown at the BEAST was incredible. The degree of precision necessary to get those shift gates to work properly, especially in an off-road environment, went way beyond expectations, and beyond Suntour's/Browning's ability to deliver product. Lots of angry customers, lots of cancelled orders with angry customers scrambling to find replacement cranks so production schedules wouldn't fall farther behind.

There was talk back then of being able to potentially harness all the hot new computer/electronic technology to make it an autoshifting system.


Originally Posted by hazetguy (Post 20862279)

Someone say Browning / Suntour Beast?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...83dffbb4fd.jpg


pcb 09-28-20 09:13 PM

This is something I rescued at Suntour before it went into the dumpster. Both the thing itself and the company.....

I've never been able to figure out if was an internal design exercise, or a submission from an inventor, or what? Looks vaguely Bivalent-ish, but the end of the bushing that fits into the freewheel has an eccentic inner surface. And the qr/skewer thingie's handle kinda looks like somebody just squished some tubing in a vise. The splined section on the drive side of the hub looks homebuilt and pressfit.

Normally this thread would make me want to dig it out and play with it, but I can't remember where it might be hiding these days.

More pix here:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/26383479@N04/24v251

https://live.staticflickr.com/7004/1...2fdde108_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/3777/1...7662a55a_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/3789/1...546539d4_b.jpg

chain_whipped 10-08-24 07:15 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ade555debe.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...01160e8f3d.png
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4234fd3ffd.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d745604e97.png
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https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9965dd7a7d.png

tgot 10-08-24 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by crank_addict (Post 20822725)
I'll start with this one.
...
Titanium rail
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3ae016e3d7.png

Is that intended to provide a shock absorbing spring effect?

Or admittedly cosmetic?

PromptCritical 10-08-24 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by Chombi1 (Post 20826345)
Somebody should post a pic if a Weinmann Turbo coiled cable/screw actuated or a Magura hydraulic caliper brakeset that they own....
Those are definitely esoteric stuff..

I have a Magura hydraulic caliper, but they are available new, so not really esoteric.

jdawginsc 10-09-24 05:14 AM

I miss PCB.

Bianchi84 10-09-24 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by SJX426 (Post 21163390)
Although these are labeled Suntour, they are also labeled as Pederson Self Energizing System brake calipers. Pederson sold his design to Suntour after introducing them to the market. You don't see them around much but they work well on a tandem. As the pads engage the rim, the caliper moves forward on a screw to increase the pressure. Originally there were front brakes too but Suntour didn't want to deal with the liability of the brakes not releasing or locking the front wheel. They are a challenge to set up but once they are set up right, they do perform well.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7327/1...2f6e9b7b_k.jpg
P1010340, on Flickr

I know this is an old post, but I have the original Front Pedersen brakes on my 1985 Cannondale- when fronts still weren't considered "dangerous".
(Also, I've since been able to fix that upside-down knurled adjuster on the Odyssey Straddle rods).
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d7829c2003.jpg

HeikoS69 10-10-24 07:46 AM

Fender eyebolt screws, a wide variety of which were designed in Japan in the 1970s and 1980s.
Full resolution:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/414206...posted-public/

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...892129f276.jpg


icemilkcoffee 10-10-24 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by HeikoS69 (Post 23368169)
Fender eyebolt screws, a wide variety of which were designed in Japan in the 1970s and 1980s.
Full resolution:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/414206...posted-public/

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0402810a_z.jpg

That is a magnificent collection of ... those thingies


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