My new Campania
04-04-19, 07:17 PM
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My new Campania
As found... taking a photo of the drive side was too tough to produce!
A new to me Campania Concourse... I'm going to guess about circa 1974. I haven't tried to cipher any dates on any of the components yet. Nitto bars & stem, no name brakes (but with Fuji Mountain logo bolts), Suntour derailleurs (Spirt front, GT claw rear), Maxy cheapy alloy crankset, Shimano 333 alloy quick release hubs spoked to Araya boxy rims. Sadly, I noticed a rather sizable dent in the down tube (in a really weird spot). Made in Japan/ serial F7F13166.
No specific plans for it.
Came with a twin step thru frame, but that one has steel rims.
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Nice! I just learned about this brand as well. Mine, yet to be built:
Campania “Professional” freebie
Campania “Professional” freebie
04-04-19, 08:09 PM
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Nice! I just learned about this brand as well. Mine, yet to be built:
Campania “Professional” freebie
Campania “Professional” freebie
Sounds like you're not sure if you will build your frame up either (maybe too big or something)?
04-04-19, 08:24 PM
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"the pride of Van Nuys"
serial placement on left side of seat tube down near shell will likely ID for @T-Mar the frame perpetrator
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"the pride of Van Nuys"
serial placement on left side of seat tube down near shell will likely ID for @T-Mar the frame perpetrator
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04-04-19, 08:47 PM
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We saw a few Campanias in New Mexico ~1974-75. They were mostly low end models and we figured that they were gas pipe Italian bikes until we gave them a closer look and saw that they were Japanese made.
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uncle_uncle,
one wrinkle you may wish to check for is to see if the frame's shell has a rectangular notch on its face(s).
some Fuji of this time came through with a "security washer" (?) with a tooth which fit into the notch
here a S-10 S of 1974 which exhibits this -
manufacturer catalogue page of 1974 -
a real life example, all original save for front round thing - (dating by owner)
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uncle_uncle,
one wrinkle you may wish to check for is to see if the frame's shell has a rectangular notch on its face(s).
some Fuji of this time came through with a "security washer" (?) with a tooth which fit into the notch
here a S-10 S of 1974 which exhibits this -
manufacturer catalogue page of 1974 -
a real life example, all original save for front round thing - (dating by owner)
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Yeah... I saw your post and had it as my screen saver at work for a few days. I was hoping my Campania was going to be as high end as yours, but, it didn't turn out that way. I love the off brand stuff, even though I can't explain why, not even to myself. I do like to have a story behind my builds, and I think the Campania brand trying to pull off the faux Italian connection is an interesting one. Problem is, I can talk the ear off anyone about even the most mundane bike related historical facts, so, I don't know why I search out more talking points when no one wants to listen in the first place.
Sounds like you're not sure if you will build your frame up either (maybe too big or something)?
Sounds like you're not sure if you will build your frame up either (maybe too big or something)?
For an upright, the size ought to be perfect, I think, and it’s surprisingly light.
04-05-19, 12:02 AM
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Looks like a UO-8 with better joinery. And maybe some better parts.
I bet it rides pretty nice.
I bet it rides pretty nice.
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uncle_uncle,
one wrinkle you may wish to check for is to see if the frame's shell has a rectangular notch on its face(s).
some Fuji of this time came through with a "security washer" (?) with a tooth which fit into the notch
here a S-10 S of 1974 which exhibits this -
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manufacturer catalogue page of 1974 -
a real life example, all original save for front round thing - (dating by owner)
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uncle_uncle,
one wrinkle you may wish to check for is to see if the frame's shell has a rectangular notch on its face(s).
some Fuji of this time came through with a "security washer" (?) with a tooth which fit into the notch
here a S-10 S of 1974 which exhibits this -
******
manufacturer catalogue page of 1974 -
a real life example, all original save for front round thing - (dating by owner)
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Man... if this turned out to be a doppelganger to a Fuji S-10-S, that would be the bomb! I've always wanted a S-10-S, or at least to ride one and experience it myself. Not to go all bike nerd historic on everyone, but it could be argued that the Fuji S-10-S is an icon of bike boom history, ushering in the first big selling Japan produced bike frame (and of course mostly Japan made bike components) bicycle here in the USofA. It was the harbinger of death to the French and English counterparts here in the USofA, as the Japan products took over more and more of the market! Anyone have some closeups of a 1972 S-10-S? Like the lugs, pump pegs, and the bottom bracket area?
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04-05-19, 05:25 PM
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IIRC this and is a Formosan copy of an ESGE or Greenfield.
Note the clamp piece of stamped sheet.
ESGE & Greenfield have an alloy casting for this.
Perhaps uncle uncle may find a ROC marking on its backside...
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IIRC this and is a Formosan copy of an ESGE or Greenfield.
Note the clamp piece of stamped sheet.
ESGE & Greenfield have an alloy casting for this.
Perhaps uncle uncle may find a ROC marking on its backside...
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uncle uncle ---
there are non-Fuji machines which exhibit the notched bb shell.
the yellow Fuji in the photo is a bit unusual in that it exhibits them on both sides.
"usually" when present they are on the fixed side only.
the only guess for their use i have come up with is that there must have been a problem with fixed cups not being torqued tight enough.
so someone came up with this idea as a retainer. the locking has tabs which bend over the cup.
the notch is sometimes present without being employed. the blue machine seen in two views below is in the stable of our non-fixie.
occasionally it is found on the adjustable side only -
AFAIK it is employed only on some Japan products of the early 1970's.
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uncle uncle ---
there are non-Fuji machines which exhibit the notched bb shell.
the yellow Fuji in the photo is a bit unusual in that it exhibits them on both sides.
"usually" when present they are on the fixed side only.
the only guess for their use i have come up with is that there must have been a problem with fixed cups not being torqued tight enough.
so someone came up with this idea as a retainer. the locking has tabs which bend over the cup.
the notch is sometimes present without being employed. the blue machine seen in two views below is in the stable of our non-fixie.
occasionally it is found on the adjustable side only -
AFAIK it is employed only on some Japan products of the early 1970's.
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04-05-19, 05:57 PM
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Nope, no notches on my BB shell...
04-05-19, 06:13 PM
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04-05-19, 08:15 PM
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one interesting consequence of the washer/notch arrangement on both sides of the shell as seen on the yeller Fuji is that the defacto size of the shell changes from 68 to 70. so in this case instead of employing a number 3S nutted spindle the manufacturer will need a number 5S.
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one interesting consequence of the washer/notch arrangement on both sides of the shell as seen on the yeller Fuji is that the defacto size of the shell changes from 68 to 70. so in this case instead of employing a number 3S nutted spindle the manufacturer will need a number 5S.
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I sort of do, just because most on the nice old bikes I find have mashed the chainstays out of round and leaving a nice crumpled imprint. With a flat clamping surface area, most folks just kept tightening them down to get a better lock, and it came at the price of many a chainstay.
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Weighed the Campania Concourse today... 30.4 lbs of pure boom bike awesomeness. Put here for prosperity. That's with Araya alloy rims, Shimano 333 quick release hubs. I think each of the tires weigh about 5 lbs themselves (yeah, I exaggerate). I bet with some new tires and tubes, I could get it down to like 28 lbs; a respectable weight for a hi-ten, 23" sized frame.
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One minor kitting oddity shared by your Campania and the yellow Fuji S10-S posted above is the miscegenation of keiretsu.
"Usually", a cycle manufacturer will get all of the fittings for a model from one export group (association) in order to get a better price on the package.
The bicycle's Maeda gear ensemble and Sugino chainset come from one group or keiretsu, while the Shimano hubs come from another.
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One minor kitting oddity shared by your Campania and the yellow Fuji S10-S posted above is the miscegenation of keiretsu.
"Usually", a cycle manufacturer will get all of the fittings for a model from one export group (association) in order to get a better price on the package.
The bicycle's Maeda gear ensemble and Sugino chainset come from one group or keiretsu, while the Shimano hubs come from another.
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brakes of the Campania showing Fuji mountain logo on bolt details
Just one more thing linking the Fuji lineup with this Campania.... hmm?!
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Hello again uncle uncle,
Fine job with the photo!
Brakes are one spot where your Campania varies a bit with the yellow Fuji posted above.
Fuji's brakeset is regular old DiaCompe.
Campania's set was produced for Fuji by Cherry.
Cherry is one of the few makers of centrepull brakes who put a marking on the head of the pivot bolts.
Below is an image of your brake model when not private labelled for Fuji -
Picture here shows a bit better view of the marking, in this case on one of Cherry's steel calipers -
The five-lobed device is inspired by a cherry blossom.
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Hello again uncle uncle,
Fine job with the photo!
Brakes are one spot where your Campania varies a bit with the yellow Fuji posted above.
Fuji's brakeset is regular old DiaCompe.
Campania's set was produced for Fuji by Cherry.
Cherry is one of the few makers of centrepull brakes who put a marking on the head of the pivot bolts.
Below is an image of your brake model when not private labelled for Fuji -
Picture here shows a bit better view of the marking, in this case on one of Cherry's steel calipers -
The five-lobed device is inspired by a cherry blossom.
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