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Jmsoto 11-19-20 01:48 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21796770)
D2X D2217 - Corsa Extra SLX built in spring 1992
"Cable route" is an extra paid option available
On the steering tube you can sometimes find "old paint" or information on an attached piece of paper

I can see a little bit of pink paint, I don’t know if it’s the base coating. There’s no piece of paper attached but there’s a marking of a dove with a code D 3. The paint is exactly the same as the team USA color that I found on google.

Seanaus 11-19-20 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21796774)
L7CB D3726 is the only frame on which I have seen CB markings... no material to compare :) frame built in late summer 1992

We'll know soon enough for sure. The standard geometry I see in one of your catalog posts is what a normal Corsa would be? I found this chart of (supposedly) the Merckx Century geometry, does this appear correct to you? Is it correct that the MX Leaders were made with the Century geometry? Regards Sean.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...049b6f8129.jpg

Yurik 11-19-20 12:11 PM

Hello dear friends. Help get information on this bike. 4C D4691

Saw Crack 11-19-20 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Seanaus (Post 21796864)
We'll know soon enough for sure. The standard geometry I see in one of your catalog posts is what a normal Corsa would be? I found this chart of (supposedly) the Merckx Century geometry, does this appear correct to you? Is it correct that the MX Leaders were made with the Century geometry? Regards Sean.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...049b6f8129.jpg

Here’s a quick visual comparison of 58 Race v Century geometries.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1524be937.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...37598c62d.jpeg

jet sanchEz 11-19-20 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Mattdiano (Post 21778945)
What did you ever find out about your frame? Mine has puzzled me SO bad. Columbus sticker and BB stamps say TSX tubing. That would be a Century. Top tube decal says Corsa Extra. And it seems to be a legit decal. Under the clear coat. Then again, someone could upbadge and then coat it. Here is mine, same team col
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...42ce2a4fc.jpeg
ors as yours

I have a Corsa Extra that is made out of Columbus TSX tubes as well, I found it in Belgium.

I think that the Merckx factory would make custom frames quite often, at least for the European market.

My guess is that for the American market, they would just stick to what they had in the catalogue.


https://i.imgur.com/b4Rbpq7.jpg

CyclesMakaron 11-20-20 02:57 AM

Jmsoto - the photos would definitely be useful

geo "road racing" introduced in 1980 and used for at least 15 years; Professional/Corsa, Pro/Corsa Extra, 3-Athlete/Strada models; full table in EMC 1994 catalog (grey cover, Titanal model inside)
"century" geo introduced in 1988, in serial frames used until 2003; models Century, Corsa Max/Mx Leader, Arcobaleno, Corsa Thron, Corsa 01, Corsa Extra, Strada OS , alu frames, titanium frames; your table is "century" geo
"century modified" geo introduced in 2003 for alu frames (elongated TT, no change angles), used until 2008

L4C D4691 - Corsa (Columbus SL) built in October 1992

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Yurik 11-20-20 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21798152)
Jmsoto - the photos would definitely be useful

geo "road racing" introduced in 1980 and used for at least 15 years; Professional/Corsa, Pro/Corsa Extra, 3-Athlete/Strada models; full table in EMC 1994 catalog (grey cover, Titanal model inside)
"century" geo introduced in 1988, in serial frames used until 2003; models Century, Corsa Max/Mx Leader, Arcobaleno, Corsa Thron, Corsa 01, Corsa Extra, Strada OS , alu frames, titanium frames; your table is "century" geo
"century modified" geo introduced in 2003 for alu frames (elongated TT, no change angles), used until 2008

L4C D4691 - Corsa (Columbus SL) built in October 1992

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Thank you for the information. I used a different translator.

Yurik 11-20-20 11:41 AM

Thank you for the information. I used a different translator.

Yurik 11-20-20 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Yurik (Post 21798620)
Thank you for the information. I used a different translator.

Sorry. I'm confused and I don't understand, is the Corsa model equal to the Corsa Extra? Is Corsa pipe class lower than Extra? The Corsa in 1992 was called MXL ? Having read a branch of a forum, I was confused. Thank you.

Jmsoto 11-20-20 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21798152)
Jmsoto - the photos would definitely be useful

geo "road racing" introduced in 1980 and used for at least 15 years; Professional/Corsa, Pro/Corsa Extra, 3-Athlete/Strada models; full table in EMC 1994 catalog (grey cover, Titanal model inside)
"century" geo introduced in 1988, in serial frames used until 2003; models Century, Corsa Max/Mx Leader, Arcobaleno, Corsa Thron, Corsa 01, Corsa Extra, Strada OS , alu frames, titanium frames; your table is "century" geo
"century modified" geo introduced in 2003 for alu frames (elongated TT, no change angles), used until 2008

L4C D4691 - Corsa (Columbus SL) built in October 1992

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Will post the photo soon. finally got the group set that I need and take it to the bike shop tomorrow.

CyclesMakaron 11-21-20 01:00 AM

Relax :)
Corsa is a basic model (Columbus SL/SP or Reynolds 531 tubes)
Corsa Extra is a higher model (SLX/SPX, TSX, Max or Reynolds 753 tubes)
Mx Leader is the highest model, created from the development of the Corsa Extra Max model (Columbus Mxl tube).

Yurik 11-22-20 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21799562)
Relax :)
Corsa is a basic model (Columbus SL/SP or Reynolds 531 tubes)
Corsa Extra is a higher model (SLX/SPX, TSX, Max or Reynolds 753 tubes)
Mx Leader is the highest model, created from the development of the Corsa Extra Max model (Columbus Mxl tube).

Thank you so much. It is very intelligible clarified. Appreciate you.

Jmsoto 11-23-20 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Yurik (Post 21798618)
Thank you for the information. I used a different translator.

thanks for the reponse

Jmsoto 11-23-20 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21798152)
Jmsoto - the photos would definitely be useful

geo "road racing" introduced in 1980 and used for at least 15 years; Professional/Corsa, Pro/Corsa Extra, 3-Athlete/Strada models; full table in EMC 1994 catalog (grey cover, Titanal model inside)
"century" geo introduced in 1988, in serial frames used until 2003; models Century, Corsa Max/Mx Leader, Arcobaleno, Corsa Thron, Corsa 01, Corsa Extra, Strada OS , alu frames, titanium frames; your table is "century" geo
"century modified" geo introduced in 2003 for alu frames (elongated TT, no change angles), used until 2008

L4C D4691 - Corsa (Columbus SL) built in October 1992

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thanks for the response

Kars 11-24-20 12:07 PM

Merckx frame id help
 
Please help id this Merckx frame. It has these markings under the bottom bracket shell ?is this a Strada ? Thanks
4x A 7545

CyclesMakaron 11-24-20 12:21 PM

If it is 4X A7545 = Corsa Extra SLX 1988
If it is A4X 7545 = Corsa Extra SLX 19?

Kars 11-24-20 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21804525)
If it is 4X A7545 = Corsa Extra SLX 1988
If it is A4X 7545 = Corsa Extra SLX 19?

The 4x and the A are on the left side of the shell when looking at it with the bike upside down and the 7545 is on the right so i think it is4x A 7545 ? Thanks for your expertise.

CyclesMakaron 11-25-20 12:16 AM

By the serial number (7545) you should find the letter designation of the series (Z, A, B etc.).
the photo will help

Jmsoto 11-26-20 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21798152)
Jmsoto - the photos would definitely be useful

geo "road racing" introduced in 1980 and used for at least 15 years; Professional/Corsa, Pro/Corsa Extra, 3-Athlete/Strada models; full table in EMC 1994 catalog (grey cover, Titanal model inside)
"century" geo introduced in 1988, in serial frames used until 2003; models Century, Corsa Max/Mx Leader, Arcobaleno, Corsa Thron, Corsa 01, Corsa Extra, Strada OS , alu frames, titanium frames; your table is "century" geo
"century modified" geo introduced in 2003 for alu frames (elongated TT, no change angles), used until 2008

L4C D4691 - Corsa (Columbus SL) built in October 1992

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Got this frame a while ago. Finally was able to complete the group set. Just picked this bike from the bike shop few days ago. Here is a photo.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...14373eaf1.jpeg
Here is the photo

CyclesMakaron 11-27-20 12:36 AM

This is a painting pattern (very rare) from 1992-1993, reportedly shown in the EMC 1993 catalogue (GITA)

Tim123450 11-27-20 05:44 PM

Hello everyone !

I would like to identify my Eddy Merckx bike but throughout forums and online discussion, I couldn't find any clue as the serial number does not match anything found.

The serial number is as following left side of the logo : A0 right side of the logo : 930

I should mention that the logo mentioned (bottom bracket) is the same as the one from post #252 on this thread. It is etched where you find the serial number as mentioned above It is also the sticker on the frame itself, like the bike from post #252.

I'm sure that the bike is genuine. It is in Domex-Weinmann Team's colors (Blue, yellow and white), full Campagnolo C-Records parts, Columbus fork and frame.

If anyone would help me I would be happy to know more about it's history. I unfortunately cannot post pictures for the moment, hence the description, I will gladly provide some when possible. I can answer questions about the bike if needed, although my bike knowledge is not the greatest.

Thanks in advance !

CyclesMakaron 11-28-20 01:11 AM

A0 930 fits very well into the early markings scheme (first "letterless" series) from 1980
If your frame has the same bottom bracket model and how to combine dropouts and stays as #252, the frame was built at the end of 1980...
The Domex Weinmann painting pattern only appeared in 1988, the frame had to be repainted.

jeirvine 11-28-20 05:15 PM

Question for owners of (and experts on) early Merckx frames (1980-1983): what's the tire clearance like? Could one run 28s? I've been keeping my eye out for a ~62cm, old-logo, flat crown specimen, but am wondering if the tire clearance is more like '70s loose or '80s tight?
Thanks,
-J

rccardr 12-08-20 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by jeirvine (Post 21809826)
Question for owners of (and experts on) early Merckx frames (1980-1983): what's the tire clearance like? Could one run 28s? I've been keeping my eye out for a ~62cm, old-logo, flat crown specimen, but am wondering if the tire clearance is more like '70s loose or '80s tight?
Thanks,
-J

It...depends. I ran 28’s on an 88-ish Corsa Extra with a flat crown fork but my 85 Pro SLX with a sloper is limited to 25’s.
Most of the early 80’s ones I’ve had my hands on are maxed out at 25’s as well.

Spaghetti Legs 01-03-21 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Fivethumbs (Post 21114064)


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 21114175)
Beautifully preserved card - it can be a proof of the original painting (and only possible corrections). "Go" or "Co" - pure speculation... I have already reached "Green over" and "German overspray" :) In fact, we need for happiness the second frame from 1988 originally painted in Stuttgart "camo" with a preserved card or any EM with a card with an identical marking - I am afraid that only this will explain the situation. Another silly question: is EDDY MERCKX on brake bridge painted black or fuchsia?

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I am working my way through this thread and came upon this post. Maybe my own bike can help decipher. This is the steerer from my 1985-ish
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...370d7fd76.jpeg
55 cm Professional, Reynolds 753. Top line matches serial # on frame
Professional Reynolds 753 in Kelme colors (Thank you CM, for your other thread in which I learned of the early Kelme colors!). I wonder if the "Go" is actually a number - 60, as the same position looks like 31 on mine.

CyclesMakaron 01-03-21 12:25 PM

100% digit - thank you
I don't know how long the codes were used, I'm not even sure if it was color codes (there would be a lot of them!) or e.g. next batches of built frames (more data is needed - as usual)
It's nice to see the 55/753...

Fivethumbs 01-05-21 03:51 AM


Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs (Post 21860408)
I am working my way through this thread and came upon this post. Maybe my own bike can help decipher. This is the steerer from my 1985-ish
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...370d7fd76.jpeg
55 cm Professional, Reynolds 753. Top line matches serial # on frame
Professional Reynolds 753 in Kelme colors (Thank you CM, for your other thread in which I learned of the early Kelme colors!). I wonder if the "Go" is actually a number - 60, as the same position looks like 31 on mine.

Thanks for posting that info. Mine does look more like numbers than letters. At the time I was looking for a two letter paint code and did not expect to see two numbers there. It would be nice to know what they mean.

bikemike73 01-05-21 11:41 AM

Thank you Jacek for all your efforts and help with our EM bikes !!!

It is all greatly appreciated.

I am still trying to figure out how to determine the year. You have confirmed mine is a 1990 and not a 1985 and I thank you.

W 5TTB and C 1649
I know it's a 55 and TSX Columbus tubing and made in the summer of 1990
This I learned from CM..Jacek !!!
And what, if any....is the difference between a Century .....and a Century Geo ??

Sorry to be a bother, but my curiosity and ocd mix is getting the better of me :)

Thank you again

CyclesMakaron 01-06-21 02:44 AM

The Century model was to introduce the "century geo" into EMC
Century was built between 1988 and 1994, first from Reynolds 653 tubes, then from Columbus TSX; in 1995 it was replaced by the Arcobaleno model.
The 'century geo' was gradually being replaced by new models of EMC frames:
- 1990 Corsa Extra Max
- 1991 Corsa Extra and Corsa (at the same time "road racing geo" was still used)
- 1992 Mx Leader
- 1994 Titane EM, Corsa Thron
- 1995 Corsa 01, Arcobaleno, Strada OS, also alu frames.
"century geo" was used until 2003, when some modifications were made (that is why the names Team SC 3, Millennium 3 appear)

bikemike73 01-06-21 07:01 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b652277808.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4f7532aea3.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...92d15f460b.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...902f648ff5.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d8e037e209.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e62c6d761a.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...36b5095786.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9fa4695a08.jpg
All great information !!
thank you

What would 2 on one side and E with 4367 below
color is yellow.

Again....all your knowledge is greatly appreciated


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