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Greg161 02-04-22 07:31 PM

Hi All, I purchased my EM from my LBS new. I then gravitated to MTB riding and then to a gravel bike. Easier on the body for those long rides. I recently pulled my Eddy Merckx out of a 25 year storage.
I did a teardown to gently clean everything.
Any info you could provide would be awesome. Thank you.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...590fa8675e.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3454f0326f.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...80d16bec54.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...666d6d3fb6.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...475175a7e6.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2d1702148a.jpg

CyclesMakaron 02-06-22 03:14 AM

Pro SLX from late 1985 or early 1986, Columbus SLX and SPX tubes, Team Panasonic paint scheme, Campagnolo Victory/Triomphe group (crank dated 1985).

Greg161 02-06-22 04:54 PM

Thank You very much CM !

I'm looking to sell the bike as is. I do not have the front and rear tubular wheels. Could you suggest a way for me to get a fair market value for the bike ? I have the Cinelli stem and handle bars in very good condition.

Thank You,

Greg

CyclesMakaron 02-07-22 01:18 AM

Sorry, I can't put a price on that.
But they can do it for buyers on eeebay - list the frame and parts (separately) from $1 for 10 days :)

M1T 02-11-22 08:41 AM

A friend refinished then built this 80's E.M., but with a twist. Easy to spot the 'new and latest' feature on the seat and head tubes. He had 2 of the decals specially made ;-)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/837910...ith/640130518/

Another friend just purchased the frame and will build it back up with many of the same components and the same orange tires.

CyclesMakaron 02-12-22 12:48 AM

Beautiful bike, Eddy's pics are beautiful too :)

chainlinkbikes 02-18-22 01:55 PM

Merckx ID help
 
I think I'm getting there, but still having a little trouble identifying


Serial #: 7 A Z 3226

* Running into issues uploading pics


Campy drivetrain, RR Der, FR Der, Strada/Breve Crankset, Record Headset, Brake Calipers, Shift Levers, Seatpost

Cinelli Giro D'Italia Bars

Shimano 600 Brake Levers & Hubs

Mavic MA2 Rims


Frame: Solid blue, White lettering with silver lining

White stamps on lugs

Head badge: White EM with Black, Yellow, Red stripes on top and green, yellow, black, red, blue stripes behind it

No frame material stamps

Cycle Art San Marcos, Ca small stamp on non-drive chainstay near seat tube.


Thank you so much for your vast wealth of knowledge. Incredible work!

AUPedla 02-18-22 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by chainlinkbikes (Post 22413707)
I think I'm getting there, but still having a little trouble identifying
Serial #: 7 A Z 3226

I'll have a go...
7 = size 57
A = frame builder designation
Z3226 = approx 1985
Probably an early Corsa, but without seeing the lug pantos can't be sure, could also be a late 'Professional'

chainlinkbikes 02-18-22 02:17 PM

Thanks so much for your quick reply! Thought I got them uploaded, but apparently as a new member I cannot upload photos yet. : )

CyclesMakaron 02-19-22 01:51 AM

Professional Columbus SL/SP

chainlinkbikes 02-20-22 02:25 PM

Thank you so much!

Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22414196)
Professional Columbus SL/SP


nenad 03-06-22 05:26 AM

Hello thread,

I have a curious one, please take a look at attached photos below. It's a Willy Naessens team paint colors, frame is marked as Corsa Extra and there is SLX tubing sticker. Looking at bottom bracket there is marking on the right: D 5456. There appears to be number 0 beneath EM logo, but there appear to be no markings on the left at all. Frame is size 60 which I think explains the number in the middle. Also, from what I can tell this is factory paint. Anything else of interest that experts (CyclesMakaron) could add here? Is this in fact a SLX Corsa Extra?

Much obliged,

Nenad

EDIT: I can almost discern letter "L" on the left.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2166584d7.jpeg
Bottom bracket
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1b0bf5d5d.jpeg
Columbus SLX sticker visible
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a66191007.jpeg
Frame marked as Corsa Extra
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...010b6360c.jpeg
Willy Naessens team (1993)

joesch 03-06-22 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22401505)
Sorry, I can't put a price on that.
But they can do it for buyers on eeebay - list the frame and parts (separately) from $1 for 10 days :)

Thus market dictates current value.
Make it a reserve auction if you want to insure a certain price or investment is gauranteed.

CyclesMakaron 03-07-22 01:46 AM

H D5456
Frame built in December 1992/January 1993.
No tube markings (should be X or XB for Corsa Extra), no frame size markings - this could mean a frame built with a "mix" of tubes in an unusual geometry.
...and this could mean that it could indeed be a frame built for Team Willy Naessens for the 1993 season.
The sticker on the steering tube and the inside of the tubes visible through the bottom bracket are worth a look.

nenad 03-08-22 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22430901)
H D5456
Frame built in December 1992/January 1993.
No tube markings (should be X or XB for Corsa Extra), no frame size markings - this could mean a frame built with a "mix" of tubes in an unusual geometry.
...and this could mean that it could indeed be a frame built for Team Willy Naessens for the 1993 season.
The sticker on the steering tube and the inside of the tubes visible through the bottom bracket are worth a look.

Thank you for the quick response, much appreciated.

Regards,
Nenad

nenad 03-10-22 01:20 PM

Hello Jacek,

as discussed, attaching photos. The paint is, as you can see, not original so the frame for sure will be going for repaint. The paint (or is it plastification) is quite thick but I have managed to get a shot at BB to discern numbers and letters. The bottom bracket reads: L0WW D3848.

So this seems to fit into "WW - Strada: ~ D --- ?" criteria, awaiting your expert opinion.

Regards,
Nenad


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0847ee6afe.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...84f2ad2e5e.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d879c478af.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2793db17b0.jpg

CyclesMakaron 03-11-22 12:01 AM

Strada 1992, Columbus Gara/Cromor tubes :)

nenad 03-11-22 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22435227)
Strada 1992, Columbus Gara/Cromor tubes :)

Hi Jacek,

great stuff, got me a Merckx! :)

Thanks, appreciated!
Nenad

messy11 03-14-22 05:22 AM

Hello all and Jacek, hope you all in great state!

Wanna ask about my friend's merckx he just bought, its mx leader with F3674 on the right side of BB and probably a letter M on the left. Paintjob is green. Is it produced in 95?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3936e89c7b.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...deeb62707f.jpg
thanks in advance!

CyclesMakaron 03-14-22 11:50 PM

H F3674 1994
BSC or 36x24 ?

messy11 03-15-22 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22439453)
H F3674 1994
BSC or 36x24 ?

thanks for the answer.

the seller said its BSC - English thread but 70mm width. Kinda weird, english thread but with italian 70mm width. Have you ever found one similar?

P!N20 03-15-22 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by messy11 (Post 22439814)
Kinda weird, english thread but with italian 70mm width. Have you ever found one similar?

A friend of mine has a Martelly (Belgium) frame with that combination.

CyclesMakaron 03-16-22 12:44 AM

EMC has built bicycle frames with BSC - rarely. I only found one "series" in the ~D2500 area.

motochick 03-18-22 02:18 PM

Hello, I can't believe I am now part of the Merckx ownership family. This is my new bike and I haven't seen this paint scheme anywhere and have no idea of the frames age or model name. I got this from a friend who bought the frame/fork from a mobile bike shop guy in Wisconsin. After you would pick out the frame you want, you would pick out the parts you wanted on it and he would build it for you. His name was Buzz. I tried to read thru some of the stuff but just got more confused, can anyone help me with what I have? It has Campy dropouts if that matters


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af20374ee9.jpg
BB shell C 1. E 4699
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...634b8376ea.jpg
Just took it out of my truck.....
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...60654260d9.jpg
Seat cluster
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...384039e394.jpg
Headtube

CyclesMakaron 03-19-22 12:20 AM

This is a 1982 Professional, Columbus SL tubes.
The frame appears to have been painted out of EMC.
The C designation is a mistake (should be G), 1 is the frame size (51 c-c).

motochick 03-19-22 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22443667)
This is a 1982 Professional, Columbus SL tubes.
The frame appears to have been painted out of EMC.
The C designation is a mistake (should be G), 1 is the frame size (51 c-c).

The frame measures 53cm c-c which is why I didn't understand the coding....
What does the C mean and why should it be a G? Either way, I can't wait to ride it!

CyclesMakaron 03-19-22 01:40 PM

If the guy confused C and G he could also have confused 1 and 3 (although this is much more difficult)
The C stood first for the Columbus tubes in the noCorsa model, and then simply for the Corsa model - it didn't appear until 1984, while it happens by mistake in the E46xx-47xx region.

messy11 03-23-22 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by P!N20 (Post 22440380)
A friend of mine has a Martelly (Belgium) frame with that combination.

I see..


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22440648)
EMC has built bicycle frames with BSC - rarely. I only found one "series" in the ~D2500 area.

ah thank you! Quite odd to find english thread in merckx frame.

I also have other frame that I wanna know the identity, the owner said its Corsa with Z 1495 and probably L on the left side. Is it corsa? Columbus SL?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...754c2cc019.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dd51bd3e15.jpg

CyclesMakaron 03-23-22 08:33 AM

Z1495 - Lugs & dropouts photo please :)

messy11 03-23-22 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22448158)
Z1495 - Lugs & dropouts photo please :)

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...52b34aeaf8.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9de9038afb.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f499ce0bdb.jpg

Thanks for the prompt feedback Jacek.

Sorry no closeup photo on the drop out, but the dropout is Brev Campagnolo.


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