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RobinWarrington 10-25-22 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22689325)
A very elegant Merckx.
Chrome plating - definitely custom order.
The paint looks original.
Stickers correct (original or well-matched) - only "Columbus" on the seat tube is missing.
Interesting fact: unusual brake bridge pads in the shape of diamonds.
If you feel like it, dismantle the fork and check the inscriptions on the piece of paper attached to the fork steering tube - you may find the customer's name (and other curiosities) there.

Ok thanks and much appreciated. I will have a look. Not sure where it was sold but it now lives in Australia.

P!N20 10-25-22 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by RobinWarrington (Post 22690309)
Not sure where it was sold but it now lives in Australia.

Cool, which part?

himespau 10-25-22 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by botty kayer (Post 22689611)
Your guesstimate for the age sounds about right. I've got one of those ti EX frames.....
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cd50d5cd5f.jpg
...like yours mine has the EM logo stamped on the stays, which I think are described as 'bullet' stays because of their shape. I love the deep 3d decals too on this model. Mine came as just a frame and fork and I built it up from there. It came with an old Kestral fork alu fork with a carbon wrap and a steel steerer, and so the fork you see above is a Columbus Max one I bought and added ay a later date.

Its been a few years since I contacted Litespeed to get it dated, so don't know if they still do it this way, but then the service was not free. I think I had to pay $10-15 for the info, but all that money went to some fund for injured cyclists or something I think, so it seemed a worthy cause so I stumped up the cash.

The serial numbers are printed very small on the BB shell. Mine is marked with what looks like 2760 2, and according to Litespeed this means it was built in November 1996.

Mine appears to be your bike's sibling. At least as far as I can tell (printing is very light and incomplete), mine is 2760 8.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3c01ca5672.jpg
Apparently, this Litespeed-branded carbon fork (with steel steerer) by Look was an original option.

RobinWarrington 10-30-22 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by P!N20 (Post 22690328)
Cool, which part?

Sorry it's taken me so long to answer. Over in Perth WA

P!N20 10-31-22 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by RobinWarrington (Post 22695041)
Sorry it's taken me so long to answer. Over in Perth WA

Nice one, I’m in Melbourne. I’m making my first trip to Perth this Christmas; sans bike unfortunately.

Anyway, back to Merckx decoding!

MarkinOz 10-31-22 07:45 PM

Early Corsa Extra Team Teve Blad?
 
Photos for decoding please. Also, what is the script on top of the brake bridge?
Thanks.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7f4540169.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...56db776dd.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c0847e31.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b468697fe.jpeg

CyclesMakaron 11-01-22 12:20 AM

A3331 Y9X
Corsa Extra 1987 (May/June)
Y - EMC employee
9 - 59 cm seat tube (c-c)
X - Columbus SLX/SPX tubes
Paint pattern: team Kelme (or TeVe Blad) 1986-1987
Brake bridge pattern: Silva 2, used exclusively in EMC 1986-1987
The inscription on the top of the bridge is MOD.DEP - probably an abbreviation for the French (!) "modele depose" (sorry, no accents) meaning more or less "reserved design".

MarkinOz 11-01-22 12:33 AM

Appreciate your work as always CyclesMakaron :thumb:

Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22697196)
A3331 Y9X
Corsa Extra 1987 (May/June)
Y - EMC employee
9 - 59 cm seat tube (c-c)
X - Columbus SLX/SPX tubes
Paint pattern: team Kelme (or TeVe Blad) 1986-1987
Brake bridge pattern: Silva 2, used exclusively in EMC 1986-1987
The inscription on the top of the bridge is MOD.DEP - probably an abbreviation for the French (!) "modele depose" (sorry, no accents) meaning more or less "reserved design".


Nuovo Record 11-01-22 04:48 PM

Hi Jacek,

What is T 8 (left) 810 (right), please...?

Thank you very much in advance!

Cheers,
NR

CyclesMakaron 11-04-22 12:37 AM

Not enough information :)
Check carefully that these are definitely all the markings - there should be a letter around 810.
Photos would help a lot.

Nuovo Record 11-05-22 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22700317)
Not enough information :)
Check carefully that these are definitely all the markings - there should be a letter around 810.
Photos would help a lot.

Thank you.
This bike is on offer on ebay (item 175469127711)

https://www.ebay.de/itm/175469127711...&segname=11010

CyclesMakaron 11-05-22 10:21 AM

It looks like BT8 E810
Professional Columbus SL/SP early 1981.

Nuovo Record 11-07-22 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22701629)
It looks like BT8 E810
Professional Columbus SL/SP early 1981.

Thanks for taking a look at those ebay pictures!
1980/81 Professional "Signature" was my guess, too. The frame size would be 58 c/c, I think?

CyclesMakaron 11-08-22 12:38 AM

The marking indicates 58.
"Signature" is just one of the seatstay cap designs (this frame is extremely late for this design, the EM-logo design having already been introduced en masse earlier).

Nuovo Record 11-08-22 12:22 PM

Thank you so much! :thumb:

nenad 12-07-22 04:41 AM

Hi Jacek,

this is coming my way.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c6424afcc.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...21cab3c50e.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...da57f0086b.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb0e577633.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...03381d41cf.jpg

Let me see if I can get this right:

G - EMC quality control man
8 - size 58
E 2022 - Professional from 1981

Other queues pointing to early model: seat stay caps, BB cable routing on top, derailleur hanger has holes in it, decals applied.
How did I do? :)
Also, based on serial number can you tell when exactly in 1981 it was made (as in month/season)?

CyclesMakaron 12-09-22 12:09 AM

Flawless description :)
Dating EMC E-series frames is getting more and more difficult :(
New information is coming out (most of it unconfirmed) that neatly blows away the dating I thought most likely.
This is a topic for a new update thread.
E 2022 is definitely 1981.
Earliest month is March, most likely April/May, latest is July.
Without new verified data I can't be more accurate :)

dynomatt 12-09-22 01:46 PM

I have a U Scanini / Eric Van Der Aerden branded MX Leader frame.

The serial number is

L (employee I’m guessing)

D 9939

Has Merckx dropouts

Panto has been filled in I’m told by U Scanini to de identify the manufacturer.

Anything else I can learn from it?

Cant post photos sorry…

Nuovo Record 12-09-22 02:36 PM

Hi Jacek,

Am looking at frame no.
P 0
Z 7300

The size should be 50 cm. The seller calls it a Corsa Extra but that would mean an "X" in the frame number, wouldn´t it?
What is it, really...?

Thank you very much in advance. :)

Cheers,
Nuovo https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/86gAA...1A/s-l1600.jpg

CO_Hoya 12-09-22 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by dynomatt (Post 22734592)
I have a U Scanini / Eric Van Der Aerden branded MX Leader frame.

The serial number is

L (employee I’m guessing)

D 9939

Has Merckx dropouts

Panto has been filled in I’m told by U Scanini to de identify the manufacturer.

Anything else I can learn from it?

Cant post photos sorry…

Pic assist (from this album):

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...630ffc989e.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf0a0bfecd.jpg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...be8dcf5610.jpg

dynomatt 12-09-22 03:29 PM

Thanks for that album assist. They must have uploaded but I just couldn’t share.

thanks
matt

dynomatt 12-09-22 03:51 PM

Thanks for that album assist. They must have uploaded but I just couldn’t share.

thanks
matt

jiangshi 12-09-22 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Nuovo Record (Post 22734632)
Hi Jacek,

Am looking at frame no.
P 0
Z 7300

The size should be 50 cm. The seller calls it a Corsa Extra but that would mean an "X" in the frame number, wouldn´t it?
What is it, really...?

Thank you very much in advance. :)

Cheers,
Nuovo https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/86gAA...1A/s-l1600.jpg

My guess is a 1985 Professional, SL tubing.

merziac 12-09-22 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by dynomatt (Post 22734707)
Thanks for that album assist. They must have uploaded but I just couldn’t share.

thanks
matt

Gotta have 10 recent posts, 5 x 2 days to post them in threads. ;)

jsf_bikes 12-11-22 08:56 AM

Merziac, I am looking at a Merckx frame with a Y 5 on left --- A6382 on the right. I can't find any real clues as yet to any other info...Any ideas?

merziac 12-12-22 01:41 AM


Originally Posted by jsf_bikes (Post 22735895)
Merziac, I am looking at a Merckx frame with a Y 5 on left --- A6382 on the right. I can't find any real clues as yet to any other info...Any ideas?

So I'm not your guy, paging [MENTION=448872]CyclesMakaron[/MENTION]

Check my avatar, Merz is my main deal and I do have a couple of Merckx's.

Merz's

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...94c355ec33.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3d9b56683c.jpg

10th Anniversary tribute
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7b2911d7d4.jpg

CyclesMakaron 12-12-22 01:56 AM

Very interesting frame !
Built in December 1993 for the 1994 season, probably for a profi team ( not sure which one ).
U.Scanini is a Belgian brand (frames imported from Italy), Eric Vanderaerden (prominent cyclist) used their frames and as a result his name was next to the name of the "manufacturer".
Since U.Scanini "rebranded" the frames, EMC's Mx Leaders may also have gone to him.
In 1998 Team Collstrop used E.Vanderaerden there (in 1996,1999 and 2000 he used EMC frames).
To check is who used U.Scanini/E.Vanderaerden frames between 1994 and 2000 and a piece of paper (if it survived) on the fork steering tube.

CyclesMakaron 12-12-22 01:59 AM

Z7300 - is most likely Professional (late) Columbus SL. Lack of X and Gipiemme brake bridge do not give optimism. Only a photo of the inside of the tubes visible through the BB cover would explain it fully.

CyclesMakaron 12-12-22 02:07 AM

A6382 Y5 - 1987, but without photos it is impossible to write more.
Around the marking of Y5 maybe missing X, CX, C, M , also check a piece of paper placed on the fork steering tube - maybe something can be read.

Nuovo Record 12-12-22 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22736633)
Z7300 - is most likely Professional (late) Columbus SL. Lack of X and Gipiemme brake bridge do not give optimism. Only a photo of the inside of the tubes visible through the BB cover would explain it fully.

Yep, thought so. Thanks anyway - much appreciated!


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