Robvolz 

Earlier you mentioned that EMC made Molteni "team issue" bikes for six years.

Q: Which six years??? (just Molteni) That can't be in a row.

My friend, David, who owns River City Bicycle in Portland, OR has on display a 1981 EMC Molteni with proper '81 campy.

I have a 91 "re-issue" with proper components as well.

I always wondered if EMC came out with the 91 in direct response to DeRosa who made their 200 1973 re-issues.


If I'm allowed a 2nd question: The Fiat Livery, you mentioned is quite rare, one year only and towards the end of his career. What year? How many?

My friend wants to trade a his Fiat for my Molteni. I assume they are the same minus the colors. And SILVER is not a color. It is the absence of color plus sparkles.



As always, you are doing GODs work with your exhaustive research and sharing. Thank you.

CyclesMakaron

It is possible that I managed to mess up two completely different things.
The first is the frames built for Eddy Merckx and his colleagues on the Molteni and Fiat teams - indeed for 6 years (1971-1976 seasons) and 1 year (1977 season) respectively.
The second is EMC production - and it's complicated:
- frames painted dark yellow (Patrick Sercu rode on such a frame in 1980-1983)
- Orange frames "like Molteni" but not part of the Team Issue series (1980-1982)
- Team Issue frames (from 1983): silver Fiat - produced briefly in small numbers, FAEMA - produced for a long time, especially the Corsa model (until 1994) and Molteni - produced intermittently until 2006 (various models - including alu).

nenad

Hi Jacek,

just a quick update from me, after the repaint, there is an additional dot visible on the left side:



So, serial number becomes .G8 E2022. I wonder if this adds any further info to the production of the frame.

Regards,
Nenad

CyclesMakaron

Dots were used to mark either very small or very large frames. To tell you the truth, I don't see this dot

nenad

It's better visible in this shot:



Thanks for the additional info.

merziac

I thought you were talking about the one in the inset just to the right of the G and the 8.

CyclesMakaron

The dot was placed next to the digit - your dot is not part of the factory markings.

Robvolz 

Caloi

merziac

@Robvolz, you need to page him.

Paging @CyclesMakaron

CyclesMakaron

The matter looks serious, very serious.
F3624 H was built in the fall of 1994
Disturbingly, there is a (one of several) "list of Motorola frame serial numbers" created by a mechanic (one of several) of this team.
It lists several numbers from around F363x - 365x belonging to specific team riders.
Your frame is very close to this one.
Try to reach the piece of card located on the fork steering tube - it could be interesting.

Robvolz 

I was curious how you might react.

This bike was owned by the Italian rider who sadly crashed and was killed in the TdF. Fabio Casartelli.

https://www.velonews.com/events/tour...nates-in-tour/

It is owned by a shop in St. Louis. I don't think he wants to sell it.

botty kayer

There's a Bottecchia badged Tommasini built bike also formerly owned by Fabio Casartelli on ebay at the moment.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266184584...Bk9SR_bLqrztYQ

CyclesMakaron

Valuable information - thank you.
If I had this frame I would be damn tempted to gift it to Fabio's family - fortunately I have no such dilemmas.

Robvolz 

I believe the story goes…. It was gifted to his best friend and team mate who then gave it to an American.

Fivethumbs

Looks like a sweet bike. I noticed the bike Fabio is sitting on has the Carnielli sticker on the seat tube but it's not on the eBay bike.

syckman

Picked up this bike last week and curious what it is. All components have been replaced and frame was repainted. Last owner rode it as a fixie.

Serial number: O H J (or O 4 J?) on left, A 7 4 6 2 on right

TIA

CyclesMakaron

It looks like a J0M i.e. Strada frame, Columbus Cromor tubes. Just in case, check the lettering on the dropouts - it should be COLUMBUS. If you find Campagnolo lettering then I need to buy glasses, and your frame is Corsa, Columbus SL/SP tubing. In any case from 1988

Cuper

A local collector is selling this nice Merckx. According to him it is an '89 Team Stuttgart, but the production series places it a little earlier?
Would like to know a little more about the bike.

Thanks in advance!

ibb.co/stK6199
ibb.co/pX7ZVnR
ibb.co/Z6rNPcZ

merziac

If those are pics try and upload them to your home page and they may get moved here, and or list all numbers on the BB as they appear indicating front or rear and exact orientation, left, right, above , below, etc.

heyride

Hey Cyclesmakaron. I have a few I'm trying to put a date on -
What I think is 1980 or 1981 Aerodynamic - my dad purchased new from the Pedal Shop in St. Petersburg, Florida sometime in the early 80's.
Left side BB shell - B / Right side BB shell E 2290

Next up - what I'm guessing is a Corsa (your thoughts?) that I recently purchased - I think it predates the Strada so perhaps the M on the shell is the employee code?
Left side BB shell - 6 M / Right side BB shell Z 2896

Since I'm a newbie - it won't let me post pics...

merziac

Post the pics to your home page and they may get moved here.

He won't get a ping unless his handle is exact, @CyclesMakaron

And you have to type it out without letting it autopopulate.

heyride

Thanks merziac
I've added to an album in my profile but it won't let me link from there until I've made 10 posts.

heyride

CyclesMakaron trying again but using your exact handle...
I have a few I'm trying to put a date on -
What I think is 1980 or 1981 Aerodynamic - my dad purchased new from the Pedal Shop in St. Petersburg, Florida sometime in the early 80's.
Left side BB shell - B / Right side BB shell E 2290

Next up - what I'm guessing is a Corsa (your thoughts?) that I recently purchased - I think it predates the Strada so perhaps the M on the shell is the employee code?
Left side BB shell - 6 M / Right side BB shell Z 2896

Since I'm a newbie - it won't let me post pics...I have added them to an album in my profile, so perhaps you can view them there. Or I'll just make 7 more posts and then be free to post pics.

merziac

Paging @CyclesMakaron

rccardr 

Z2896 would be late 84 or very early 85.