Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

N+2 phase of life

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

N+2 phase of life

Old 10-16-19, 05:21 PM
  #1  
masi61
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
masi61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 2,887

Bikes: Puch Marco Polo, Saint Tropez, Masi Gran Criterium

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 728 Post(s)
Liked 152 Times in 117 Posts
N+2 phase of life

Well my excuse is that I'm a bit too busy to manage all my projects. I have a lot of fun conceptualizing my different (mostly road) bike builds.





In the past I based my season's riding on a 3 road bike rotation meaning, that at any given time I could reach of one of 3 different steeds and be out on the road with minimal intervention beyond lubing a chain, and pumping up tires and making sure my blinky battery was fully charged.





Life moves on and a few of my brighter concepts have floundered. I can even provide pictorial evidence, but not right now.





Having stuck with classic Shimano Ultegra and Dura Ace 3x9, 3x10, 2x10, 3x7 builds for practicality's sake, I'm still busting at the seams.





There is the rescued Masi Gran Criterium with the Dura Ace 6600/6603 triple group that is just sitting there waiting for completion, there is the Klein Stage Ultegra 6703 triple waiting for completion, the Trek Multitrack drop bar gravel bike build awaiting proper SunTour XC cantilever mounting, the Klein Performance with the Phil Wood conversion 24mm external bottom bracket conversion, the Klein Quantum awaiting the same install of the Phil external bottom bracket, there this the Cannondale CAAD 9 in both a 56 and a 58 and the Cannondale Six13 needing a water bottle riv-nut. There is the unloved Cannondale Silk Tour in a size Large needing updated, and a second Cannondale T800 in a size small also needing some love.





Then there are the 2 titanium Wittson disc frames that are fully modern with 12x142 through axle rear and 12x100 through axle front that have stockpiled parts and one of which is now going on 2 years mothballed.





This has been a productive and creative process. I am actually very meticulous about all of this. Being divorced and living alone has certain been a factor in my megalomania of these past few years. I sense that this episode is time limited and I will need to reign in all of this to some sort of more organized (pre-retirement) down-sized collection. You might say that instead of going through an "N+1" stage I actually exploded and went through an "N+2" stage. Very educational and my LBS wheelbuilder has built me multiple sets of very sweet custom wheels to go along with all these projects.





Big developments in techniques the past 2 years have included chain waxing and using a 2 or 3 chain system with each bike. Also while I do run clincher tires, I have switched over to latex tubes and tubeless rim tape for increased tire volume and easier tire mounting of open tubular type tires.





Interesting times, just thought I would share.
masi61 is offline  
Old 10-16-19, 05:43 PM
  #2  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 10,922

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 246 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2754 Post(s)
Liked 1,616 Times in 941 Posts
Sounds like you are keeping busy.
That’s usually best.

I stay busy with vintage bikes. Most have come to me as frame and fork and I try to get them back together and on the road again.
Only 2 active (major) projects. An AD Vent Noir and an AD Michelle (mixte) for the wife.

i ride vintage as vintage - meaning friction shifters, but did do a Campy 9 triple on the Batavus.
Including the project bikes = 14 vintage, 4 ‘modern’ bikes with Campy 10. Those are the roadies. About 6 others cover tandem, city, beach cruiser, mountain - these see very little mileage.



80’s bikes above. The Vent Noir below, but it is now wearing a Stronglight crankset and will be finished out with Zeus and Campy parts (going to build with what I have for this one).

Last edited by Wildwood; 10-16-19 at 05:47 PM.
Wildwood is offline  
Old 10-16-19, 05:52 PM
  #3  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 10,922

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 246 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2754 Post(s)
Liked 1,616 Times in 941 Posts
Oh, I prefer tubulars - but have clinchers on 3 of the roadies and on all the lesser used bikes.
Wildwood is offline  
Old 10-16-19, 07:57 PM
  #4  
horatio 
Hump, what hump?
 
horatio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: SC midlands
Posts: 1,883

Bikes: See signature

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 325 Post(s)
Liked 202 Times in 130 Posts
Glad to know I’m not the only one with unfinished projects! I have trouble deciding how to build them.
__________________
2010 AB T1X ** 2010 Cannondale SIX-5 ** 1993 Cannondale RS900 ** 1989 Bianchi Brava ** 1988 Nishiki Olympic ** 1987 Centurion Ironman Expert(2) ** 1985 DeRosa Professional SLX ** 1982 Basso Gap ** 198? Ciocc Designer '84 ** 198? Ciocc Competition SL ** 19?? Roberts Audax ** 198? Brian Rourke ** 1982 Mercian Olympic ** 1970 Raleigh Professional MK I ** 1952 Raleigh Sports
horatio is offline  
Old 10-16-19, 07:59 PM
  #5  
mpetry912 
aged to perfection
 
mpetry912's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: PacNW
Posts: 469

Bikes: Dinucci Allez 2.0, Richard Sachs, Alex Singer, Serotta, Masi GC, Raleigh Pro Mk.1, Hetchins, etc

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 204 Post(s)
Liked 130 Times in 97 Posts
I think it is great that some people are thinking outside the "all campagnolo" box.

good for you for mixin it up a bit

Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA USA
mpetry912 is offline  
Likes For mpetry912:
Old 10-16-19, 08:16 PM
  #6  
TenGrainBread 
Senior Member
 
TenGrainBread's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,589

Bikes: Cherubim, Alps, a few Schwinns

Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1070 Post(s)
Liked 395 Times in 253 Posts
I did some major downsizing about a year ago, going from 9 bikes to 3 within 2 months. It felt great and let me focus on changes and upgrades for the 3 I had. I would totally recommend this.

Fast forward a year and I have 4 built bikes and 3 frames in reserve:

-1973 Schwinn Sports Tourer (soon to be converted to flat bar)
-1986 Schwinn High Sierra (period-correct ATB)
-1999 Schwinn Homegrown (superlight drop bar MTB with XTR 11 speed)
-1970s Cherubim 650b Super Tourer that I am finishing building

The frames in reserve are:
-1980s Alps 650b randonneur (made by Toei)
-1980s Toei 650b randonneur
-1970s B. Carre 700C sportif

This gives me a nice spread of functions and represent my interests well. I don't see myself getting another bike for a while.
TenGrainBread is offline  
Old 10-16-19, 10:09 PM
  #7  
masi61
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
masi61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 2,887

Bikes: Puch Marco Polo, Saint Tropez, Masi Gran Criterium

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 728 Post(s)
Liked 152 Times in 117 Posts
Originally Posted by mpetry912 View Post
I think it is great that some people are thinking outside the "all campagnolo" box.

good for you for mixin it up a bit

Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA USA
Thanks! I will take that as a complement. My original nice road bike a Masi Gran Criterium had some Campy on it but mostly Record steel headset, Nuovo Record rear derailleur, and Campy seat collar bolt.
masi61 is offline  
Old 10-17-19, 03:39 AM
  #8  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 7,889

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 159 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2374 Post(s)
Liked 1,575 Times in 1,067 Posts
Originally Posted by mpetry912 View Post
I think it is great that some people are thinking outside the "all campagnolo" box.

good for you for mixin it up a bit

Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA USA
And therein lies the rub.

Campy is, well Campy, simply no way around it, you always hear " it should be all Campy or it came with X but most people replaced that with Campy".

Don't get me wrong, I love it as much as the next, but It is crazy how many other components look and work as good as or better than it, never mind the cost.

Prime example for me is the "Mighty Sugino Mighty Super/Competition" crank, every bit as beautiful, tough and strong if not more so IMO.

Many iconic marques simply are not complete without Campy to justify their status, so be it and I don't disagree, but ya gotta look for or decide to find opportunities to think outside the "all Campy" box, again IMO.
merziac is offline  
Likes For merziac:
Old 10-17-19, 07:47 AM
  #9  
USAZorro
Seor Member
 
USAZorro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hardy, VA
Posts: 16,929

Bikes: Mostly English - predominantly Raleighs

Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1035 Post(s)
Liked 303 Times in 213 Posts
Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
...Very educational and my LBS wheelbuilder has built me multiple sets of very sweet custom wheels to go along with all these projects...
I perceive an opportunity here. Wheelbuilding can be exasperating at times, but doing it yourself provides great satisfaction at the end. On the other side, it can slow your build progress even more.
__________________
In search of what to search for.
USAZorro is offline  
Old 10-17-19, 08:13 AM
  #10  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 10,922

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 246 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2754 Post(s)
Liked 1,616 Times in 941 Posts
Originally Posted by TenGrainBread View Post
I did some major downsizing about a year ago, going from 9 bikes to 3 within 2 months. It felt great and let me focus on changes and upgrades for the 3 I had. I would totally recommend this.

Fast forward a year and I have 4 built bikes and 3 frames in reserve.

Hmmmmm = downsized a year ago to 3, now has 7 (admittedly 3 projects). Sounds like N+4 for 12 months.


I have downsized twice in the last 12 years to only one vintage bike (I've always kept my custom newer bikes).
It brought me NO JOY on either occasion, and, after much consideration, I restocked with nicer ones.
Wildwood is offline  
Old 10-17-19, 08:46 AM
  #11  
TenGrainBread 
Senior Member
 
TenGrainBread's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,589

Bikes: Cherubim, Alps, a few Schwinns

Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1070 Post(s)
Liked 395 Times in 253 Posts
Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Hmmmmm = downsized a year ago to 3, now has 7 (admittedly 3 projects). Sounds like N+4 for 12 months.
Yep, N+4. I barely even have the right to claim I downsized
TenGrainBread is offline  
Old 10-17-19, 08:51 AM
  #12  
ollo_ollo
Senior Member
 
ollo_ollo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Near Sublimity Orygun
Posts: 4,983

Bikes: Still have a few left!

Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 361 Post(s)
Liked 113 Times in 72 Posts
Similar process for me this Summer, but thought of it as N+1+1, but N+2 says it better. Need to do a "new to me this Summer" post to show them, but they were a: 71 PX10, 90 Trek 520, 87? Ironman Expert, 72 Motobecane Grand Record, plus a Superbly Pristine, Lugged! Bridgestone XO-2 gift for my grand daughter. Don
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
IMG_3546.jpg (990.9 KB, 78 views)
File Type: jpg
IMG_3555.jpg (652.0 KB, 78 views)
File Type: jpg
IMG_3556.jpg (770.6 KB, 77 views)
ollo_ollo is offline  
Likes For ollo_ollo:
Old 10-17-19, 09:56 AM
  #13  
mpetry912 
aged to perfection
 
mpetry912's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: PacNW
Posts: 469

Bikes: Dinucci Allez 2.0, Richard Sachs, Alex Singer, Serotta, Masi GC, Raleigh Pro Mk.1, Hetchins, etc

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 204 Post(s)
Liked 130 Times in 97 Posts
Some nice hardware on view there !

my comment about "all campagnolo" should not taken as criticism of the brand - but only to say that if you have a collection of "N" bikes, all identically equipped with "full campagnolo" then the collection is not very diverse - the only thing that's different is the paint.

now I know I'm overstating the case ! A Masi is a completely different bike than, say, a Cinelli. But I'm not against mixing and matching. I for one can't push 42/52 rings up and down the hills of Bainbridge Island. It's no fun.

On bikes that I ride - I routinely replace the lower headset cup (which is a wear part) with a Stronglight A-9 roller bearing unit, I run a Phil bottom bracket, and a few other choice bits that make a vintage bike more durable and fun to ride.

Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA USA

mpetry912 is offline  
Old 10-17-19, 11:38 AM
  #14  
silent_chief
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 126

Bikes: '96 Tommasini Tecno,'01 Lemond Poprad, '02 Lemond Victoire

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
Then there are the 2 titanium Wittson disc frames that are fully modern with 12x142 through axle rear and 12x100 through axle front that have stockpiled parts and one of which is now going on 2 years mothballed.
Yikes. Those are expensive toys to just be lying around unused. My Ti Victoire is my fair weather beauty and my other bikes get ridden harder and commuted on more often. To just have a modern Ti frame lying around unused is not really in my frame of reference. My Ti is my most expensive bike and I get a little antsy if I don't ride it semi-regularly despite not being part of the every day rotation. It's too nice not to ride.


...Do they need to be re-homed?
silent_chief is offline  
Old 10-17-19, 11:59 AM
  #15  
masi61
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
masi61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 2,887

Bikes: Puch Marco Polo, Saint Tropez, Masi Gran Criterium

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 728 Post(s)
Liked 152 Times in 117 Posts
Originally Posted by silent_chief View Post
Yikes. Those are expensive toys to just be lying around unused. My Ti Victoire is my fair weather beauty and my other bikes get ridden harder and commuted on more often. To just have a modern Ti frame lying around unused is not really in my frame of reference. My Ti is my most expensive bike and I get a little antsy if I don't ride it semi-regularly despite not being part of the every day rotation. It's too nice not to ride.


...Do they need to be re-homed?
HaHa - no, they (Wittson Illuminati m/l titanium disc road frames)are home here. I was delayed on the build(s). The internal mechanical cable routing and the internal brake hose routing, along with the pressfit bottom bracket have caused me to pause since this is new mechanic territory for me.
masi61 is offline  
Old 10-18-19, 07:31 AM
  #16  
easyupbug 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,617

Bikes: too many sparkly Italians, some sweet Americans and a couple interesting Japanese

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 265 Post(s)
Liked 130 Times in 99 Posts
Originally Posted by horatio View Post
Glad to know Im not the only one with unfinished projects! I have trouble deciding how to build them.
You are not alone. I have five dusty frames hanging up that are just stuck. My only carbon I don't know what to do with, two with unresolved paint issues, one with two dings in a chrome seat tube that just bugs me and one waiting for a rare matching rim.
easyupbug is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.