Would this be considered French fit?
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Would this be considered French fit?
Just put new bottom bracket bearings in, regreased hub bearings. Rides great. At 62 cm the bike is probably too big but it is very comfortable to ride like this. O could probably raise the seat a bit.
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Maybe, probably, no idea. The Sequoia's were designed by two of the absolute best in the business, Tim Neenan, then Jim Merz.
Both of them knew exactly what they were doing and it shows well in these.
They had their own versions of what a touring bike should be and do regardless of and including at the same time many other rationales.
Here are two Merz touring bikes from 1978 before he went to big S.
They are legendary and amazing, period.

Maybe, probably, no idea. The Sequoia's were designed by two of the absolute best in the business, Tim Neenan, then Jim Merz.
Both of them knew exactly what they were doing and it shows well in these.
They had their own versions of what a touring bike should be and do regardless of and including at the same time many other rationales.

Here are two Merz touring bikes from 1978 before he went to big S.
They are legendary and amazing, period.


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Looks awful comfortable to me.
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French fit is a recent term and doesn't really have any historical meaning.
Handlebars level with the top of the saddle used to simply be considered correct fit. The old rule of thumb was bars were set level to one inch below the saddle. Level was considered ideal for touring, and a 1 inch drop was sporty.
This all started to change around the early 80s when it became fashionable to ride smaller frames with more drop to the bars.
Handlebars level with the top of the saddle used to simply be considered correct fit. The old rule of thumb was bars were set level to one inch below the saddle. Level was considered ideal for touring, and a 1 inch drop was sporty.
This all started to change around the early 80s when it became fashionable to ride smaller frames with more drop to the bars.
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Being tallish, 6'1" back in the day and still having a 38in inseam, level is "sporty" and a no go for me, getting more so by the day, still gotta have drop bars while also being more upright.
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My bars are the same height as my saddle because I can't bend as far as I used to.
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The seat is perfect. The bars look too close and too low, IMO.
Or maybe try moving the seat back. A pic of the empty bike would help.
My swept comfort bar has been going up lately. Far more comfortable and actually NO worse for aero either.
My first tour was a suffer fest for nothing.
Or maybe try moving the seat back. A pic of the empty bike would help.
My swept comfort bar has been going up lately. Far more comfortable and actually NO worse for aero either.
My first tour was a suffer fest for nothing.
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French fit is a recent term and doesn't really have any historical meaning.
Handlebars level with the top of the saddle used to simply be considered correct fit. The old rule of thumb was bars were set level to one inch below the saddle. Level was considered ideal for touring, and a 1 inch drop was sporty.
This all started to change around the early 80s when it became fashionable to ride smaller frames with more drop to the bars.
Handlebars level with the top of the saddle used to simply be considered correct fit. The old rule of thumb was bars were set level to one inch below the saddle. Level was considered ideal for touring, and a 1 inch drop was sporty.
This all started to change around the early 80s when it became fashionable to ride smaller frames with more drop to the bars.
I postulate that the wisdom of the time was that randonneurs would be riding alone, and needed to be more aero, while racers were in a peloton and therefore wouldn't care as much about wind resistance and might benefit from arriving to the final sprint feeling more well-rested from a more upright position.
Plus ça change ... plus c'est la même
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That bike looks comfy, and it doesn't look too big from where I'm sitting.
I like big. Just got in from another test ride on my latest attempt at building the ultimate touring bike. 35" inseam and still got some room left on this 65cm frame:
I like big. Just got in from another test ride on my latest attempt at building the ultimate touring bike. 35" inseam and still got some room left on this 65cm frame:





