Frame identification please
 

hey guys,

ive gotten a frame from a friend collector, he said it was a real Faema frame but no Masi or Pela signs on the frame.
it has been poorly resprayed allso...
italian threading i think and rear spacing of 120mm
giepieme dropouts
dot lug cut-outs (allmost the same as in the Cinelli "supercorsa")
frameset wheigs around 1.7kg

if you need more info i can mesure or check other specs u van use

you can check the pics on my profile cause this is my first post i cant insert links

Link to OP's picture gallery: https://www.bikeforums.net/g/user/511098

While it exhibits nice workmanship, the features suggest a mid-range frame. First, it uses Gipiemme dropouts, instead of Campagnolo. Second, it does not appear to use a Columbus steerer tube, suggesting either a lower tier Columbus set or a tubeset from another manufacturer. Furthermore there are no reinforcing tangs on the blades or bridges. I'm also surprised to see a flat top seat lug. Finally, there appears to be a fairly long serial number under the heavy paint, suggesting a mid-sized or large, mass volume manufacturer.

What size seat post does it take? Are the tubes mitred? An overall picture and one of the rear dropout would be appreciated. With that collection, I'm surprised you can't provide a definitive answer on the threading standard.

What size seat post does it take? Are the tubes mitred? An overall picture and one of the rear dropout would be appreciated. With that collection, I'm surprised you can't provide a definitive answer on the threading standard.[/QUOTE]

the frame is still at my friends, he sent me those pictures this morning, i can provide more info when i get the frame tonight :)

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Lenman -

The FAEMA company went through two or three restructurings.

They had to give up the cycling team in one of them.

They were closed for about one and one half years around 1977.

Suspect that suspension of team may predate creation of GIPIEMME products.

Perhaps T-Mar will know a launch date for GIPIEMME.

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It happens to be a belgian frame with wrong fork, the frame was built by the father of Jan Weymans, a wellrespected framebuilder here, i asked him to and he told me the frame was built in 1970

Sounds like you have a very conclusive ID in this case!
Did Mr. Weymans tell you what tubing he employed to build this frame in 1970?
Any guess as to the replacement fork (why used and what brand)?

tubing is Reynolds 531, as it were the only light tubing used by Belgian builders at that time for top frames.
no clue on the forks, allso reynolds with campagnolo dropouts
atm the son of the original builder is making me a new flatcrownfork as how the original would be :D

i will display my collection in june and the eventorganisers have invited Eddy to open the revenue so hopefully he will identify it, it has the exact size as eddy's 1972 Colnago Molteni frame for timetrial, 58CC seattube, 54,5cc toptube
original seller of the big stock of frames and parts i bought was close family of Charles Terryn, eddy's mechanic in those late 60's and early 70's

That is an interesting frame you've got there, Lenman ! Could you tell us what it says on the bottom bracket shell? I can't quite make it out from the picture:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...861979a03a.jpg

EDIT: the reason I ask is that it looks like it could be "PS" and "4180", which would be a Plume Sport serial number from ~May 1970. The cutouts in the lugs and BB shell also match the Plume Sport bikes from that period I have seen.

Hi there,

I came on this post by accident, looking for something else.
Hi Non-Fixie. Long time not see :(

Indeed this is a Plume Sport bottom bracket signature.
Lenman can ask the build details on Plume Sport, Anderlecht/Bruxelles | Forum Velo Retro Course (proboards.com) and will likely get this from the frame builder.

I personally believe that the 4 holes on bb are a later addition.
About Jan Weymans, having had several discussion with him (his version of dutch accent doesn't help for me but this is a belgian story), I already faced doubtfull memories.
Other frame details let me think that this "may" have been made by another belgian framing company to which, Plume Sport outsourced some production (to be confirmed or infirmed)

Anyway, not FAEMA related, nor Terryn, and extremely doubtfull on Weymans paternity
Despite of this, allways happy to learn of other belgian collectors

Long time indeed, Munny! Next year's RetroRonde, perhaps?

Thanks for your reply. Plume Sport is an interesting brand. I acquired the PS 3531 frame a couple of years ago, and made good use of alainm's work on Forum Velo Retro Course. :thumb: