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Originally Posted by Cougrrcj
(Post 22039022)
That rack support was purchased in fall '76 - early '77 from Bike Warehouse (later Bike Nashbar, and later just Nashbar)...I don't think it had any particular branding. Also bought from Bike Warehouse was the Zefal HP frame pump, SunTour barcons, ALE handlebar-mount water bottle cage, TA bottle, Cannondale 'Toot' seat bag....Lots of stuff that winter! Later that spring the bike was treated to Phil hubs, stainless butted spokes, and somebody's narrow clincher rims... That self-built wheelset lasted the bulk of the old Fuji's miles - some 30k miles over the next few years... Rear wheel was tacoed after an unexpected (inattention) slip off the pavement and a 5-6" drop off the pavement to the gravel and my poor attempt at recovery...
Great story. Many of us loved seeing those catalogs in the mail, or even better; making the long trip to Youngstown to the outlet. |
Bastardized early 70s Mercier with rainbows on the stays.
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Originally Posted by Dylansbob
(Post 22039054)
Great story. Many of us loved seeing those catalogs in the mail, or even better; making the long trip to Youngstown to the outlet.
I had gotten involved in the Ohio State Cycling club, and helped map out (and drove the route to paint the route arrows) for our clubs inaugural TGRR'77 (The Great Reservoir Ride) a TOSRV warm-up century ride that hit the five reservoirs north of Columbus... TOSRV 77 was my first of five TOSRVs, and I rode TGRRs, MOC (Mid Ohio Century), and even over to the rival Indiana University in Bloomington for Hilly Hundred a couple times... The club had 'extra' funds at the end of the school year from TGRR, and rather than turn it over to the school, I suggested that the club buy the tools needed to build our own wheels (truing stand, dish tool, etc)... Hence the build of my Phil-hubbed wheels for the Fuji... IIRC, the parts for the wheelset - hubs, spokes, rims, and rimtape came to just under $100 - parts and tooling were all obtained from Bike Warehouse! https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7e4494643.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e51e5c9c1e.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf6eeb4cd5.jpg |
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Now I know why my Ritchey Breakway feels so fast
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Originally Posted by Pompiere
(Post 21820119)
Blue, Red, Black, Yellow, Green is the official UCI order
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 22037014)
Here's a page from an Ishiwata catalog with two results that have always perplexed me.
First, it clearly states that the 1973 pro road race was won on a frame built with an Ishiwata 017 tubeset. Now, the 1973 winner of that race was Felice Gimondi on a Bianchi. It's definitely Gimondi's victory, as it states the location, Barcelona. Bianchi even named their new top model the Specialissima Barcelona after Gimondi's victory. Only slightly less startling is the claim for the pro cyclo-cross World Championships. Again, the location leaves no doubt that it refers to Albert Van Damme's victory. He won on a Gitane. While the Europeans would eventually realize the merits of Japanese tubing, it seems unimaginable that Bianchi and Gitane would select anything other than Columbus or Reynolds during this era. And while there was some questionable Japanese to English translation back in the day, these seen very straight forward and leave nothing to interpretation. If the claims are true, I foresee a lot of blood covered celeste and suicidal Frenchman. Psst, nobody tell Bianchigirll or verktyg. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b5d0105e99.jpg |
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...314054aaf2.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c36139ccc3.jpg |
Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce
(Post 22035891)
Is it ok to ask a frame builder who earned them their rainbow?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...136ebe8e61.jpg |
"Uncle Jan" Nieuwenhof earned his stripes in 1949, and subsequently named his bikes "Type Wereldkampioen":
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b7518f2214.jpg Henk Faanhof on the right, the 1949 Amateur World Champion, sharing the podium with Fausto Coppi: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...752d175a53.jpg |
Gazelle's stripes, as well as the Champion Mondial moniker, were stolen (according to the contemporary press at the time) by Harm Ottenbros in 1969 , who profited from the fact that the others were too busy making sure that Merckx didn't win.
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I'm pretty sure Bill Davidson used WC stripes (late '70s to early '80s) just because he liked the look, not because they were earned. I suppose it's possible there was a legit WC win on a Davidson that I never heard about, but it seems unlikely considering I worked there for 10 years ('84 to '94). It would've come up, right? ;)Probably the closest Davidson got was when Renee Duprel won silver in the World Championship Match Sprint, 1990. <brag> I built that frame myself. </brag> Graham Watson shot an awesome photo of the deciding heat where Renee missed WC gold by millimeters. In the photo, just after the actual photo-finish, their rear tires are near the finish line, with Renee's two or three inches ahead of Connie Paraskevin's, showing that Renee was going way faster at the end. She just timed it slightly wrong. About as close to being World Champion as a person can be.
Her boyfriend (later husband) Ken Carpenter also rode a Davidson I built. He was on 2 Olympic teams and won Nationals 5 times but was never in contention for a WC. A few Davidson riders won the Masters World Cup, sort of the World Championships of age-graded masters racing, but that doesn't legally qualify you for WC rainbow stripes. Mark Pringle got 10th in the amateur senior men's road race championship in '77, which is still the answer to the trivia question "what's the best-ever placing by an American in the Amateur Senior Men's World Championship Road Race?" Americans have won the Professional, the Junior, the Women's, and several other disciplines other than Road at Worlds, plus also Olympic gold, but not that complete combo of Pringle's achievement. Lance Armstrong came close, his last year as an amateur, getting 11th. Pringle's record is safe (for all time?), since there no longer is a senior men's amateur world championship — they retired that title. I have a picture of Pringle on his Davidson in the Red Zinger, and it appears the bike has those same decals as above, only with the WC stripes snipped off. I guess by then they must have clued into the fact that the stripes weren't legal for UCI racing. I have heard of riders having to cover illegal stripes with duct tape or some such, but I can't quote any actual examples, might be an urban legend In later years (after about 1984 I think), Davidson decals ditched the illegal stripes. I doubt there was any "cease and desist" letter from UCI, they just wanted to simplify the design, or avoid duct tape for UCI races. Or maybe they got tired of explaining that the stripes weren't earned, they were just "décor". The new simpler decals came out right about the time I started there, so I wasn't privy to any discussions of the reasons. Mark B |
^ Well I will say that my Davidson Impulse beats out a lot of the bikes with WC stripes I've had over the years. ;)
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Originally Posted by caloso
(Post 22036994)
That is completely out of order of the stripe on the UCI rainbow. I wonder if it was an intentional attempt to avoid the trademark.
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Bertin, brought in by Patrick Sercu during the Tokyo Olympics of 1964.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9d242ec048.jpg Pre 1993ish Basso logo with stripes (headtube). Must be Marino in 1972 — not makers' stripes of course, these are of the "my brother was a world champ" kind. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9829122869.jpg BTW, previous owner of this frame really liked his Olympic rings as well: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3652c0e1d5.jpg |
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c45c0eac33.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05a325022f.jpg Alan uses the worldchampion-striping correctly, even with the years on it. But not consistent as you see. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8ed5ed6a34.jpg And the stickers they used a while are another thing. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...77e4ccb65a.jpg |
Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 21821442)
And, Masi, well, they can probably do whatever they want, including claiming the same year twice.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9710cb20_c.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_U..._Championships And then there's track, with an Italian winner in '68, Giuseppe Beghetto. |
Making my way through my bike galleries and grabbing a shot of each I find.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b66f360889.jpg Most "interesting" set are the upside down ones on this Lemond. This bike is one of a handful Greg had custom done himself to give to friends. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dde2a6fe9f.jpg Basso Gap https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb0f3fe7d7.jpg ?? The white? Bianchi Campione https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9a6d5e2b35.jpg Lemond Chambery https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...14fe75fd96.jpg Cioocc Designer 84 https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...65f5c4d166.jpg Colnago Super https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f97ec85281.jpg De Rosa Nouvo Classico https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...07b98cbce8.jpg Fuji S-12s https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6ce4c9bb97.jpg Lemond Team Z https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6d53c8149c.jpg Lemond Maillot Juane |
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Fuji Opus III https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...51b4d64939.jpg Paletti https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ce608dbfdd.jpg Schwinn Paramount 1987 https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...29a68455d5.jpg Schwinn PDG Series Paramount 1992 (?) https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2d304ac28b.jpg Peugeot U-08 1972 https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...57cc58e97f.jpg De Rosa, I think this is a Neo Pro https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fc38fa7707.jpg The Stella too, the red is faded but they won back in 1950's https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...286aed3ca1.jpg Lemond Tourmelet https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...71f8a08ebb.jpg Lemond Ventoux |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 22039504)
That seems logical, certainly if she rode a Belgian bike. I can't make out the brand from the pictures I've found so far, though:
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So... Greg Lemond put the rainbow stripes on his bikes because he won the World Championships. But he was not riding a "Greg Lemond" bike...
Same for Francesco Moser, and others I am sure.... So if you win a WC, and then start a bike brand, you get use of the rainbow stripes. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce
(Post 22041548)
So... Greg Lemond put the rainbow stripes on his bikes because he won the World Championships. But he was not riding a "Greg Lemond" bike...
Same for Francesco Moser, and others I am sure.... So if you win a WC, and then start a bike brand, you get use of the rainbow stripes. :rolleyes: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d14bc62c95.jpg |
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Painted fade stripes on a Limongi from about 1990. some of his frames have valid stickers with the UCI stripes. |
I thought he was on a Bottechia because that is what he rode at the same year's Tour... :foo:
Originally Posted by jamesdak
(Post 22041685)
Actually in 1989 he was on a Greg Lemond decaled bike. Made my TVT but certainly a Lemond bike. :p
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Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce
(Post 22042077)
I thought he was on a Bottechia because that is what he rode at the same year's Tour... :foo:
Often, riders with eponymous brands also had contract clauses allowing them to ride their own brands at events on their native soil. For instance, I have several photos of Steve Bauer riding his own brand of bicycle at Canadian events, while he was under contract to la Vie Claire. |
Late to the party and TL:DR, but has anyone else noticed/mentioned that all the sequences mentioned here are, by even the most extreme stretch of the imagination, NOT "rainbow" stripes?
(Just sayin'.....) |
Originally Posted by madpogue
(Post 22042589)
Late to the party and TL:DR, but has anyone else noticed/mentioned that all the sequences mentioned here are, by even the most extreme stretch of the imagination, NOT "rainbow" stripes?
(Just sayin'.....) Correct, we're talkin' about UCI-rainbow colors. |
Originally Posted by madpogue
(Post 22042589)
Late to the party and TL:DR, but has anyone else noticed/mentioned that all the sequences mentioned here are, by even the most extreme stretch of the imagination, NOT "rainbow" stripes?
(Just sayin'.....) Sincerely, Roy G. Biv |
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