Lightweight vintage mtb?
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Can't weigh it right now, but my '90s KHS with True Temper tubing is pretty light as MTBs go.
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https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridges...3/pages/37.htm
I have a stock 1993 MB1 and it weighs on my scale 25 and 1/2 lbs:
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If you want to experiment some more, maybe you could look at a cyclocross frame. You probably wouldn’t be able to fit the balloon tires though. I’d lean toward an aluminum frame for regular commuting on salted roads, but you, fortunately, have more experience in that. Trek XO1 and Specialized TriCross were the common aluminum models and the Trek has dropout eyelets.
Eventually I lent it to a neighbor whose bike had been stolen. He still has it, and I haven't missed it.
I think we have different concepts of what one's commuting needs might be.
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Yeah one of our respective scales may be off. A 1993 MB1, which is one of the lighter production MTBs produced BITD, weighs 25.1 lbs per the catalog for a 49 cm frame.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridges...3/pages/37.htm
I have a stock 1993 MB1 and it weighs on my scale 25 and 1/2 lbs:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridges...3/pages/37.htm
I have a stock 1993 MB1 and it weighs on my scale 25 and 1/2 lbs:
12pack of soda at 10lbs, about right.
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Eventually I lent it to a neighbor whose bike had been stolen. He still has it, and I haven't missed it.
FWIW, I stumbled into an ‘81 Trek 410 last winter. It was partially assembled in Japan with what, on paper, iss the same geometry as my ‘79 710, with only 1cm shorter chain stays. But it clearly isn’t. It has a lower BB and when I ride it I feel like I’m in the bike, not on it. It gives a sublime ride. The lowest end Trek of the day, not fully made in the USA, but almost too nice to leave at my in-laws’ for spontaneous rides... I sure am happy when I ride it.
I couldn’t guarantee you’d find the same in an ‘81 410 because weird stuff was going on with those models at the beginning of a transition to farmed-out Japanese work. You’d have to measure carefully. Not a criticism, just a caution that the model seemed to be subject to change without warning. And even though it was sold with 27” wheels, I can’t fit anything bigger than 700x35 under properly mounted fenders.
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So I built up this winter commuter with a generic steel 90s (I assume) mtb frame. It replaced a Jamis Exile, which was pretty nice but a bit too small. The current steed is one heavy-a$$ ride. While my commute is short, and it’s unclear how much commuting I’ll actually be doing in the new year, I’d still like to build up something that uses these parts, but is lighter and has a lower BB. Does such a beast exist? Should I be looking at old Cannondales or other alu frames? A larger Jamis? Should I ditch the 559 wheels and find a Trek hybrid or some such?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
I agree with the other poster about all the heavy stuff on there. The stem, seatpost, brake levers, tires... all seem to be some of the heavier available parts.
Up 'til earlier this year I think, the lightest 559 rims I knew of were available at universal, but the great rim shortage of 2020 struck and now they're no longer available. They're basically road rims in 559, put on some light 1.75ish tires and you're likely saving 3 lbs from current setup. Not tubeless unfortunately:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...&category=5527
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I eventually got my Mongose IBOG Zero-G down to 23 pounds. She's about 24 here IIRC, but that back tire is a portly 550ish grams. To hit 23 lbs I had 340gram tires on it.
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I have no idea what my hard rock ultra weighs... I don't consider it tbh. She is front/rear racked...wald basket up front, panniers in rear. I actually enjoy the weight on the ice of Spokane/ couer da lane
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There is a weight difference between a cassette and a freewheel. Go for the freehub with cassette if possible to loose some weight.
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Well, I’ve decided to go in a different direction and picked up a Trek 700 hybrid for a reasonable price from a CL seller. Pics in the am but it’s this one from 2012: https://archive.trekbikes.com/us/en/...ek/700/details
I also have a lead on a Miyata touring bike that would fit the bill, but we’ll see how the Trek does once I’ve made a few changes.
I also have a lead on a Miyata touring bike that would fit the bill, but we’ll see how the Trek does once I’ve made a few changes.
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Neal, that Trek might prove to be a good idea. Are you going to put on the swept-back bars?
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The ones on the current winter beater? Well, maybe, but an issue is the 7-speed grip shifter. I have to see what bars that's compatible with. I do like the idea of a 1 x 7 drivetrain, however. I was actually thinking moustache bars, but the shifter might be a problem. Perhaps a 7-speed bar-end might work.
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Some pics of the new-to-me high bread:
Weight is 30.5 lbs on my hanging scale, so not a lightweight but still lighter than the beater mtb, I believe. Room for 35mm tires and fenders. Check out that wishbone rear stay!
Weight is 30.5 lbs on my hanging scale, so not a lightweight but still lighter than the beater mtb, I believe. Room for 35mm tires and fenders. Check out that wishbone rear stay!
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I have two bikes I use regularly for commuting, shopping, or general transportation: the Peugeot UO-8 and the Schwinn Project KOM-10. The latter has Prestige II tubing and 26x1.95" tires, and weighs less than 30 lbs. Even with the high BB, standover and mount/dismount are no problem because it's only a 19"/48cm frame, whereas most of my road bikes are 55cm C-T.
The one depicted isn't mine, which has SunTour derailleurs, a Brooks Team Pro saddle, a RollerCam brake up front, and a Blackburn Mtn rack, but you get the idea.
The one depicted isn't mine, which has SunTour derailleurs, a Brooks Team Pro saddle, a RollerCam brake up front, and a Blackburn Mtn rack, but you get the idea.
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An oft overlooked “lighter” MTB is the 97ish Trek 7000 with aluminum frame. I built and ride one all summer on the single tracks. I love it. Weight....For winter conditioning I ride an ‘89 Trek Antelope, steel frame MTB. Great for conditioning but would be much less fun as a winter snow commuter. I understand your wanting something lighter. The difference is very well noticeable.
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An oft overlooked “lighter” MTB is the 97ish Trek 7000 with aluminum frame. I built and ride one all summer on the single tracks. I love it. Weight....For winter conditioning I ride an ‘89 Trek Antelope, steel frame MTB. Great for conditioning but would be much less fun as a winter snow commuter. I understand your wanting something lighter. The difference is very well noticeable.
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MTB can get down to around 17 lbs. with 8sp drivetrain, but not with the parts shown on the OP above. Frankly, I think it's a waste of time to transfer those parts to diff frame to save weight. To go from 32 lbs. to possibly 30?
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Oh, the only things I’m transferring over are the seat bag and bagman rack, the pedals, and the front lamp. Btw, before I started moving parts off of the mtb, I weighed it on my hanging scale: 40.5 lbs! I said it was heavy.