Bent Bars...
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I'm pretty sure I've seen MAFACs both ways, with washers that provide some toe-in, and with washers that don't -- and they weren't the after-market ones from Compass/RenéHerse either. I'll have to take a look at my brake stash. My feeling about this is that I was looking at earlier (no toe-in) vs later production, but maybe that's just my imagination or creative history.
It seems to me that MAFAC might have used a simple beveled washer (thinner on one side than the other), so that one could rotate the washer during setup to get more or less toe-in, or none, so long as there was reasonable friction between the arm and the washer to prevent its rotation in use -- but they were pretty smart people, so maybe they tried that and it didn't work.
It seems to me that MAFAC might have used a simple beveled washer (thinner on one side than the other), so that one could rotate the washer during setup to get more or less toe-in, or none, so long as there was reasonable friction between the arm and the washer to prevent its rotation in use -- but they were pretty smart people, so maybe they tried that and it didn't work.
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From: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma
I'm pretty sure I've seen MAFACs both ways, with washers that provide some toe-in, and with washers that don't -- and they weren't the after-market ones from Compass/RenéHerse either. I'll have to take a look at my brake stash. My feeling about this is that I was looking at earlier (no toe-in) vs later production, but maybe that's just my imagination or creative history.
It seems to me that MAFAC might have used a simple beveled washer (thinner on one side than the other), so that one could rotate the washer during setup to get more or less toe-in, or none, so long as there was reasonable friction between the arm and the washer to prevent its rotation in use -- but they were pretty smart people, so maybe they tried that and it didn't work.
It seems to me that MAFAC might have used a simple beveled washer (thinner on one side than the other), so that one could rotate the washer during setup to get more or less toe-in, or none, so long as there was reasonable friction between the arm and the washer to prevent its rotation in use -- but they were pretty smart people, so maybe they tried that and it didn't work.
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"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
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From: Marin County, Alta California
Bikes: Our all steel stable: Rodriguez, Ritchey & Bruce Gordon road tandems; Burley pub crawler tandem; two XO-1s, two Fishers, a Comp & Mt Tam; two Gitane TeamPros; 60s Carre; 69-70 Gitane TdF and
Now I feel better. I know darn well that I can toe-in the Mafac brakes that I have owned using those beveled washers. This, for what it is worth, is one of the reasons that I am a fan of Mafac stoppers. Simply put, though a bit difficult to install and set up, they just plain work well, when compared to other offerings of the day.
I too love early Mafacs, in particular the Dural Forge-marked Racers (pre-plastic bushing models without the "RACER" embossing) as well as Mafac's large cantilevers for tandems. We used those big cantilevers on early Mtn Bikes and I still use a set on my Ritchey Palo Alto Tandem.





