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Old 03-31-21, 04:23 AM
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Help for identify frame

Please help me indetify this bike/frame.
Derraileurs:
Front: Sachs huret
Rear: Shimano exage 500ex
Levers: Sachs New success

Brakes:
Levers: Shimano 600 aero
Calippers: Weinmman (not sure which model)

Crankset: Sakae

Stem and Bars: 3ttt

Dropouts: Gipiemme

Rims: Weinmann 414 Alloy
Hubs: Maillard made in France

Serial number: 57 2(something) 10 or
57 2(something) IO

PS. there are two holes for headbadge which is missing.

Thanks a lot!!!






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Old 03-31-21, 06:40 AM
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lugs and crown appear BOCAMA

headset is Tange MA60


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Old 03-31-21, 08:18 AM
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Which brend do you think it is? If you take a ckoser look on a head, you will see 2 holes for head badge, so definitely isn't Raleigh
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I'm getting lower-mid-grade Bianchi vibes here, but I don't know enough about the brand to say whether they ever used a two-hole headbadge or Gipiemme dropouts.
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Old 03-31-21, 08:39 AM
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Which brend do you think it is? If you take a ckoser look on a head, you will see 2 holes for head badge, so definitely isn't Raleigh
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you have given readers a good deal of information about the bicycle but have not as yet given rudimentary information such as tubing diameters and threading for headset and bottom bracket

if cycle were italian, as suggested above, shell width would be 70mm

it appears to date from the 1978-80 time

frame looks to be a midliner production model

two possible national origins with what we know thus far include BE and CH

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Old 03-31-21, 09:46 AM
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Agree on all the above. Seat post diameter and whatever thread pitch is showing on the drive side fixed (or non-fixed maybe) cup would be very helpful.

Badge holes could be possible match to Bottecchia as well. Could be helpful to know also the metric spacing between the badge holes. Not sure the stay treatment fits though.
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Old 03-31-21, 02:26 PM
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Update:
seat post diameter: 27mm
Head set diameter: 22.2mm
shell width: 62mm
Outer head badge diameter: 20mm

I do not have crank removing tool, so i took a couple of pics. I hope that you can figure out something from them.






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@Numenor - Thanks for the update. When measuring holes, the dimension of interest is center to center. In this case just measure from the "bottom" of one hole to the "bottom" of the other. Hole diameter might be of some interest.

Other with more knowledge will likely follow up.
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thank you for the additional information

62mm shell width =

my error on headset: evidently a Y.S.T. replica of the Tange MA60


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The frame appears to be a late 1970's Motobecane Grand Touring... At first glance Its the fork that gives it away. All the other components simply don't match any specific bicycle. Could be the frame was switched out or scavenged, then identifications ground off, then painted basic white. Yep... Pretty sure the frame is Motobecane. That makes it a "FRANKENBECANE".

Still... Looks like a nice ride!
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On a first look, it looks like Motobecane Grand Touring, BUT again, holes for head badge testify against that claim. Also shifter levers hanger (i do not know it's real name) is not as on model sugested above.
Gipiemme drops, and place of serial number too...
It looks more like Sprinteur or Grand Sprint model, but again, fork crown is different...

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Old 04-01-21, 07:32 AM
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Is that a crack in where the bottom head tube lug meets the downtube? Looks like a bit of a ripple also, as if maybe it's been in a front-end collision?

I don't think it's a Motobecane, I don't recall ever seeing one w/Gipiemme dropouts at this level.

I get the impression you may be in Europe, can you give us an idea where? It may help nail down a more-localized name, in case maybe it's tied to a specific shop or something.
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the cycle's Y.S.T. headset is a Formosan product

it is model HP-661

looked it up as marque a new one to me



for comparison here is the Tange MA-60 -



Is this a decent headset? (NOS 1" threaded YST unit..)

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Diameter from botom of one hole, to the bottom of another is 17mm
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I am from Serbia (central Balkan), but that does not mean anything, cause we often buy bikes frome Austria, Swiss, Germany... so i am afraid that can not help us here..
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Last night i thought that finaly i figure out which bike this is. Batavus Criterium (1980) caught my atention, but unfortunately cable housing for rear derailleur are downside, and not above as it is case with this Batavus model...
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fine detective work on your part

a payes bas origin fits right in

tubing may turn out to be Ishiwata 022


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Sorry for wrong information!
shell width is actualy 70mm,
So does that mean that frame is definitely Italian origin?
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Originally Posted by Numenor View Post
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Sorry for wrong information!
shell width is actualy 70mm,
So does that mean that frame is definitely Italian origin?
With vintage, 70mm shell width is "normally" Italian. 68mm is "normally" everything else. There are always exceptions to the rule with bottom bracket shells, probably most notably with Swiss and Brits, like, some Raleighs using 73mm shell width on some things, Swiss being unable to make up their mind on whether to thread ISO or like the French.

I stand by my thoughts. Both names I mentioned (Bottecchia, Bianchi) are Italian. But there were so many small shops producing one-off (contracted) builds we could look forever.

"Jebiga" may apply here.
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Originally Posted by Numenor View Post
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Sorry for wrong information!
shell width is actualy 70mm,
So does that mean that frame is definitely Italian origin?
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thank you for this update

this fits right in with a payes pas origin, albeit one in BE rather than NL

Flandria built with 70mm bottom bracket shells of BSC thread

you may wish to explore some Flandria badged cycles in your searches

suggest to check models which are one or two down from the top and within the 1977-80 time frame

this would also increase the likelihood of Ishiwata 022 tubing

NB - this firm did a great deal of contract work so the bicycle may be of their construction but otherwise labelled...

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came across this example which bears some strong correspondences to your cycle although it is not an exact match

features such as fork crown, braze-ons, seat stay treatment, bridges and ends line up fairly well

the dropouts are GIPIEMME long without eyelets, an exact match

tubing in this case is Reynolds

kitting of this machine is Shimano 600

owner has not determined a specific date for the bicycle







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Is that a crack in where the bottom head tube lug meets the downtube? Looks like a bit of a ripple also, as if maybe it's been in a front-end collision?
May be multiple cracks. I'm amazed that no one else has seen/mentioned this.
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Looks like a crack in the lower lug itself. First thing I noticed in pic #2
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Thanks a lot for this Flandria sugestion.
I am thinking now to restore this bike to be some kind of replica of that Flandria Model, or Molteni Eddy Merckx.
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