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Originally Posted by Chuck M
(Post 22087563)
I couldn't understand why some people were so for or against this new forum but I suppose it may stem from these interpretations of classic and vintage and their passion for bicycles spilling over into it. Riding what you love and loving what you ride is why most people read the C&V forums and keep it active.
I have enough things to do and I waste enough time on the internet; I don't need to waste more time looking at yet another forum because you think your special bike deserves a more special home or you don't know where to post it. It's an old bike- it goes in C&V- post your pix there, buck up, scroll past the **** you don't want to look at. Just like everyone else. This siphons off things that potentially interest me to a place that I'm not going to look- when it really does belong here. Not only the practical "making it difficult," it also drives a wedge through the C&V community. "Your bike does not belong here." And that is antithetical to what this forum has historically been about. |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 22087497)
As long as you use a Shimano SIS rear derailleur, there's no need to change or add anything.
6-speed block with 9-speed Ergo: How about on a four-cog freewheel? :innocent: -Kurt |
Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 22087500)
she and I disagree over whether or not The Division Bell is classic. She thinks it is... She also likes Hall and Oates, so I feel like her credibility is weak...
But a soulful ballad like Sara Smile is, absolutely, 100%. Just like early '70s BÖC. "It's all right!" |
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Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 22087500)
Sure, it's aging out, but it's still called classic rock.
Anecdotally, my 20 year old daughter is really into Pink Floyd, but she and I disagree over whether or not The Division Bell is classic. She thinks it is. I think it's what happens when a band (or some members thereof) don't know when to quit. She also likes Hall and Oates, so I feel like her credibility is weak. I think this is still tracking, very loosely, to the bike situation. For the purposes of this forum discussion, I like to think of classic in terms of the time frame: so there's a vintage epoch, and a classic epoch of bikes. And yes, it's a moving time frame because of the spacetime continuum. However, the type of bikes & components meld into each other pretty well, and frames from both periods have parts that swap back and forth depending on tastes. So I think keeping everything together in one forum makes the most sense. And for the record, The Division Bell is absolutely a classic album that features some of Gilmour's best guitar playing & lyrics (thanks Polly Samson). A Momentary Lapse was a definite 80's album, but it gave us Sorrow, On the Turning Away, & Terminal Frost. Gilmour's subsequent solo albums have also been real good - though On An Island was light years better than Rattle That Lock. Is the Division Bell as classic as the likes of Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, or The Wall? No, those are huge culturally/musically impactful albums. But it's still a great album from a great band. Just like my 1994 Specialized isn't a ground breaking bike, but it's a good frame from the respected company. |
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 22087042)
I think we all need our own individual subforums.
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Originally Posted by the sci guy
(Post 22087857)
But it's still a great album from a great band. Just like my 1994 Specialized isn't a ground breaking bike, but it's a good frame from the respected company.
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I am not likely to ever visit that other forum. I spend almost all my time in C&V. I occasionally dip my toes in the Road and Commuting forums, more for the topical discussion than for the bikes. I was sort of indifferent about the whole thing until I realized that mods are actively going through and moving threads into this new forum.
Quoted from the other linked thread:
Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
(Post 22085955)
Yes, we are trying to move the threads into the new sub forum. If you guys see something that should be moved, please please please report it and suggest it go into the new forum. THAT WOULD HELP A WHOLE LOT~~ Because right now, my team is trying to go through each thread to see if it belongs there and it's a lot of work. Thanks,. I really appreciate it. :)
EDIT: I see the "Retro Roadies - old frames with STI or Ergos" thread has been moved, too I've got a '85 De Rosa Pro I built with 9-speed ergos. It's built with a mix of 80s and 90s Chorus/C-Record/Record. The truth is, the frame doesn't look much different from an early 90s De Rosa Pro. I've posted a photo of this bike in that "Retro Roadies with STI..." thread. I think that thread should remain in C&V. It's specifically for C&V bikes "upgraded" with brifters, not bikes from the early brifter era. It's a slippery slope and an unnecessary division of our interests imho. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1805/...e7c3c4f1_k.jpg |
Did I think an additional sub forum was needed? No, not really. I had no issue with those falling into C&V if posters felt that's where they'd get the best results.
Will I visit it? Yeah probably, maybe on an as needed basis. Mostly if I picked up a bike in that category and need some advice. Admin made a decision, will it change my life? No. Whatever, another sub forum on an internet forum. Read or scroll by, life goes on. |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 22087665)
Too bad it doesn't require some ridiculous scheme to do it.
How about on a four-cog freewheel? :innocent: -Kurt https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a02990e8ba.jpg |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 22087990)
I believe that requires a more complicated cable routing:
-Kurt |
Originally Posted by gaucho777
(Post 22087964)
At first I thought @Drillium Dube posted his stunning Davidson in that forum to get the ball rolling over there. Same with [MENTION=203117]jamesdak[/MENTION] and his (classic but maybe not quite vintage enough?) Pinarello Monviso. Now I realized those threads were likely moved by the mods. I probably never would have bothered to look over there, and would have missed these beautiful, classic , KOF builds from people I consider "C&V BF members." I'd be bummed if that was my thread and I wanted to share those bikes with the community with which I most associate. I consider myself a bit of a retro-grouch curmudgeon, but I'm happy to see those bikes/threads in the C&V forum. |
While I appreciate the proactive stance and the effort of the mods, this move might have been a little premature, IMO. What unites us in this community is not so much the exact age of bikes or parts, but the way we look at bikes (and life in general, for that matter). C&V is my favorite online watering hole. I enjoy the folks here, and whether the topic is 1950's tubing characteristics, early Weinmann brifters or the belief shared by some that cats would exterminate humanity if they could, matters less to me.
Removing popular threads like "Retro Roadies - old frames with STI or Ergos" is quite unfortunate. I liked (note the past tense) that thread. |
Originally Posted by gaucho777
(Post 22087964)
At first I thought @Drillium Dube posted his stunning Davidson in that forum to get the ball rolling over there. Same with [MENTION=203117]jamesdak[/MENTION] and his (classic but maybe not quite vintage enough?) Pinarello Monviso. Now I realized those threads were likely moved by the mods. I probably never would have bothered to look over there, and would have missed these beautiful, classic , KOF builds from people I consider "C&V BF members." I'd be bummed if that was my thread and I wanted to share those bikes with the community with which I most associate. I consider myself a bit of a retro-grouch curmudgeon, but I'm happy to see those bikes/threads in the C&V forum.
EDIT: I see the "Retro Roadies - old frames with STI or Ergos" thread has been moved, too “We got a present for you.” https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...7677790%29.jpg |
We got a present for you. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...2ODc@._V1_.jpg . |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 22088024)
While I appreciate the proactive stance and the effort of the mods, this move might have been a little premature, IMO. What unites us in this community is not so much the exact age of bikes or parts, but the way we look at bikes (and life in general, for that matter). C&V is my favorite online watering hole. I enjoy the folks here, and whether the topic is 1950's tubing characteristics, early Weinmann brifters or the belief shared by some that cats would exterminate humanity if they could, matters less to me.
Removing popular threads like "Retro Roadies - old frames with STI or Ergos" is quite unfortunate. I liked (note the past tense) that thread. |
Originally Posted by jamesdak
(Post 22088021)
Yeah, mods moved that Pinarello one for whatever reason. Just got a PM saying it had been moved and was like WTH?? I post for my "family" and my family is C&V.
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I was wondering if they were going to purge those threads from the road bike forum also?
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
(Post 22085682)
That's pretty much the message I'm getting. lol
But then others wanted it. Darned if I do, darned if I don't. It wasn't easy to do guys. I'm trying. Will all threads about road bikes that are in 'general' be moved to the 'road' forum? Will all threads about MTBs that are in 'C&V' be moved to the 'MTB' forum? Will all threads about early hybrids that are in C&V' be moved to the 'Hybrid' forum? And then there are the touring/bikepacking threads that are started and left in 'General'. Clearly where threads are allowed to stay is more of a guideline than a rule, so... Stop moving threads to the new forum without checking to see if the OP wants it there. |
Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
(Post 22085749)
No worries.
It's just that 7/8/9s not always are classic and vintage yet not new enough to be in road and so there was a middle ground. People can post where they want but some might just be interested in those bikes and it just makes it easier for them to find rather than search through road, c and v and general. Kind of like how all the medical threads were in 50+.,t was soooo filled with medical issues that it was hard to find cycling content. We made a separate one for those as well. It took a while but it's getting good traffic. |
Originally Posted by 3alarmer
(Post 22086991)
...50 years from now, all the CF reinforced plastic bikes will have asploded, and the olde aluminum frames will have all died from metal fatigue. Brifters from this era will be the focus of the guys who used to collect mechanical, spring wound watches. Shifting technology will be dominated by thought controlled shifting, and the same people who are now horrified by the idea of taking a hand off the bar to manipulate a downtube shifter will be unwilling to be distracted by something like a brifter.
When some archeologist of 2071 is poking around in the ruins of Sacramento, he will react to his discovery of my garage like Howard Carter did when he opened the tomb of Tut. This reminds me I should leave a note behind. :) https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9a83d26aba.jpg |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 22088024)
Removing popular threads like "Retro Roadies - old frames with STI or Ergos" is quite unfortunate. I liked (note the past tense) that thread.
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Originally Posted by natterberry
(Post 22088204)
Now I’m real confused about the purpose of this forum.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 22088050)
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https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...2ODc@._V1_.jpg . https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0f6baf7ca.jpeg |
Originally Posted by natterberry
(Post 22088204)
Now I’m real confused about the purpose of this forum.
But I can tell you what its meaning is to me: a place where I can log in after a long and tedious day at work and exchange thoughts with like-minded people who are interested in classic and vintage bikes. The technology, the history, the stories behind them and their fitness to provide joy to their owners in the 21st century. For instance by fitting modern components. Whether you agree or approve is not the real issue. I have learned a lot from other members' projects, and they - both members and projects - have really added to my enjoying life in general and bikes in particular. My two cents. |
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