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I think we need a new forum for the discussion of this forum.
-Kurt |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 22092335)
I think we need a new forum for the discussion of this forum.
-Kurt |
Originally Posted by bikingshearer
(Post 22091072)
Two points:
1) My preference would be not to have the early brifter forum. I think the ne forum creates an artificial divide. I would prefer a return to how it was set up up to now, In the aternative, I would prefer what has been st up as a forum is made a subfourm or sticky in C&V, please. 2) Everybody, please lighten up. This is not the end of the world, whatever happens. And especially, please lighten up on the Mods. I have little, if any, special insight into the Mod world but I do know that (a) they are not paid, they do this as a service to the bicycling community, and (b) this was done with good, not malicious, intent. The Mods tried to do something nice. Some of us don't think it works. So say "no, thank you" and maybe ask politely (key word here - "politely") to change back and move on. There are posts here that sound to my ear as though some folks think this was an evil plot aimed at them personally. I'd bet good money that is not the case. I am also quite certain that every one of us has, at some point in our lives, tried to do something nice that went sideways and had a negative unintended consequence. So politely say "no , thank you" like our mothers taught us, politely ask the change be undone or for what you would prefer to see, and stop acting as though the Visigoths are at the gates. Please. |
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Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 22086293)
I think the several Shimergo builds in my herd (10-speed Campy brifters, 8-speed Shimano drivetrain) might wreck this paradigm.
And to think I was thinking this new forum group was sort of like a middle child (no offense intended to any mods or middle kids) |
I appreciate the moderators thinking of us and trying to make things better, but clearly the recent change is worse. And all this discussion doesn't help. Just put things back, please. It wasn't broken. And now it is.
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Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 22092442)
I appreciate the moderators thinking of us and trying to make things better, but clearly the recent change is worse. And all this discussion doesn't help. Just put things back, please. It wasn't broken. And now it is.
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Originally Posted by hazetguy
(Post 22092889)
yep, pretty much.
coffee time! [MENTION=29430]Siu Blue Wind[/MENTION] [MENTION=136384]unterhausen[/MENTION] [MENTION=94607]cb400bill[/MENTION] -Kurt |
Originally Posted by treebound
(Post 22092418)
Does that actually function well? ...
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I'm neither for or against a new forum. I do think it should be more about the compatibility issues for these models. Something that wasn't a big problem with friction shift and older brakes. As time moves on, the need for workable replacements for scarce parts becomes an issue.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 22092900)
Tagging system doesn't work, IIRC.
-Kurt Oh, maybe I have notifications turned off for that and it actually works. I don't think I will be monitoring this thread though. |
[MENTION=40306]cudak888[/MENTION], the name tag should work if you fully type it and avoid choosing the name from the pop-up box.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 22093096)
[MENTION=40306]cudak888[/MENTION], the name tag should work if you fully type it and avoid choosing the name from the pop-up box.
I swear there was a time period where it started working as intended, then it broke again. Got tired of figuring out which worked and assumed both were broken, seeing as it never seems to result in the recipient getting notified. Guess most of us have it turned off then. -Kurt |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 22093106)
assumed both were broken, seeing as it never seems to result in the recipient getting notified.
:twitchy: :innocent: :D :roflmao2: |
Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 22093184)
Could be they just didn't want to talk to you.
:twitchy: :innocent: :D :roflmao2: :P -Kurt |
Early in my membership here, I thought there was a better way to categorize topics of discussion. How arrogant. The scope of knowledge and experience is unique to this forum along with the personalities. Fortunately the range of personalities tends to be a heck of a lot more civil than elsewhere.
I learned a lot here and I mean C&V. I too visit other forums but this is home. I can understand the apparent lack of attention to the 8-11V topics but it isn't unlike so many other aging experiences. What is contemporary to me is now 40 years old or more. I consider the latest addition, 1988 De Rosa Pro with full 10V record, a new bike. It exists in my happy place because of this forum and specifically C&V. Thank you to all of those who have contributed to my OCDness! If threads are going to be moved, there is a gold mine of threads in the mechanics, framebuilders, 50+, folding bikes, tandems, SS, etc. forums. If this trend of "fixing what ain't broke" and "change for change sake" is going to happen, what about a forum based on eroica qualifications to be used for C&V criteria? |
I'm optimistic that the mods are reconsidering, given the preponderance of negative feedback.:thumb:
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer
(Post 22091072)
2) Everybody, please lighten up. This is not the end of the world, whatever happens. And especially, please lighten up on the Mods. I have little, if any, special insight into the Mod world but I do know that (a) they are not paid, they do this as a service to the bicycling community, and (b) this was done with good, not malicious, intent.
The Mods tried to do something nice. Some of us don't think it works. So say "no, thank you" and maybe ask politely (key word here - "politely") to change back and move on. There are posts here that sound to my ear as though some folks think this was an evil plot aimed at them personally. I'd bet good money that is not the case. I am also quite certain that every one of us has, at some point in our lives, tried to do something nice that went sideways and had a negative unintended consequence. So politely say "no , thank you" like our mothers taught us, politely ask the change be undone or for what you would prefer to see, and stop acting as though the Visigoths are at the gates. Please. 1) My preference would be not to have the early brifter forum. I think the ne forum creates an artificial divide. I would prefer a return to how it was set up up to now, In the aternative, I would prefer what has been st up as a forum is made a subfourm or sticky in C&V, please. And please douse those torches and put them away. |
Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 22093386)
And please douse those torches and put them away. |
Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 22093386)
This gentleman gets it.
We are currently taking this and other viewpoints into consideration. :) And please douse those torches and put them away. Meant no disrespect and am very glad you all are here to herd the cats. Biggest viewpoint I have is our little corner being so organic, you can't make this stuff up IMO even though we do from time to time. This brifter discussion is exactly why I/we feel it should stay here to propagate the ongoing stew of keeping so much on the table. It is simply amazing the tangents we are taken off on many times figuring out impossible workarounds by drilling down on things that "can't be done, won't work or haven't ever seen that before, etc.". Again, organic, and IMO much of that will be lost with a division of a couple of the best catalysts for the passion we have that make so much of this work so well as it does. ;) |
Originally Posted by bikingshearer
(Post 22091072)
Two points:
1) My preference would be not to have the early brifter forum. I think the ne forum creates an artificial divide. I would prefer a return to how it was set up up to now, In the aternative, I would prefer what has been st up as a forum is made a subfourm or sticky in C&V, please. 2) Everybody, please lighten up. This is not the end of the world, whatever happens. And especially, please lighten up on the Mods. I have little, if any, special insight into the Mod world but I do know that (a) they are not paid, they do this as a service to the bicycling community, and (b) this was done with good, not malicious, intent. The Mods tried to do something nice. Some of us don't think it works. So say "no, thank you" and maybe ask politely (key word here - "politely") to change back and move on. There are posts here that sound to my ear as though some folks think this was an evil plot aimed at them personally. I'd bet good money that is not the case. I am also quite certain that every one of us has, at some point in our lives, tried to do something nice that went sideways and had a negative unintended consequence. So politely say "no , thank you" like our mothers taught us, politely ask the change be undone or for what you would prefer to see, and stop acting as though the Visigoths are at the gates. Please. It really isnt' the end of the world. It's not that it cannot be changed back. Several had shown an interest in it and we decided to try it. |
Siu Blue Wind I guess "Homey don't play that game!".... an interesting avatar considering the way this thread has carried on. Just a thought, Smiles, MH
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I think your hinting at what I was thinking.... Some bars should be set well above my personal level of decorum.
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Don't we need a "vintage steel frame with carbon fork thread also? Might as well put that into the brifter forum along with the "Oversize tubing thread" that is currently sitting atop the C & V list. They need to be wherever the Retro STI/Ergo thread is.
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I want to thank the moderators for working to be responsive to us. I think you were a bit too quick to be a bit too responsive, if that's a criticism at all. And realizing that following the suggestion of one person is not the best plan, you're asking for input, and that clearly causes another problem. I hope consensus about this is clear. It would be fine to have a thread about specialized topics in the C&V umbrella. You will notice that C&V is a holistic group, and we talk about lots of topics, including repair and rides, not just old bikes.
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