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repechage 07-11-21 07:37 AM

I will let what takes place going forward color my judgement.

any of these purchases place a burden on the company to pay for the purchase, that monetization of the brand could be the trick.

gugie 07-11-21 08:58 AM

[MENTION=111144]Andy_K[/MENTION], it's time to start monetizing the Gugificazione! brand.

Start sending some marketing collateral to this Texas guy, perhaps we can both retire early...

cudak888 07-11-21 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 22137037)
[MENTION=111144]Andy_K[/MENTION], it's time to start monetizing the Gugificazione! brand.

Start sending some marketing collateral to this Texas guy, perhaps we can both retire early...

We need Gugificazione T-shirts featuring fork blades being re-raked.

-Kurt

Andy_K 07-11-21 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 22137037)
[MENTION=111144]Andy_K[/MENTION], it's time to start monetizing the Gugificazione! brand.

Start sending some marketing collateral to this Texas guy, perhaps we can both retire early...

I’m thinking a line of artisinally crafted dairy bells.

nlerner 07-11-21 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Andy_K (Post 22137571)
I’m thinking a line of artisinally crafted dairy bells.

Sorry, I’ve already sold all threads containing the word Gugificazione! as an NFT. Bidders seemed to be concentrated in Madera, CA.

cudak888 07-11-21 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22137748)
Sorry, I’ve already sold all threads containing the word Gugificazione! as an NFT. Bidders seemed to be concentrated in Madera, CA.

NFTs aren't ownership of the thread, only ownership of the NFT of the thread.

You can NFT the sales page for the shirt if you want.

-Kurt

gugie 07-11-21 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22137790)
NFTs aren't ownership of the thread, only ownership of the NFT of the thread.

You can NFT the sales page for the shirt if you want.

-Kurt

Somewhere in Madera, California a tear is shed.

cudak888 07-12-21 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by gugie (Post 22137962)
Somewhere in Madera, California a tear is shed.

Excuse me while I make an NFT for that tear.

-Kurt

P.S.: And one for Madera, California's Twitter feed URL as well, if someone hasn't already.

Road Fan 07-12-21 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by iab (Post 22136483)
First time, 1947 from Arrigo & Giotto to Cino.
Second time, 1978 from Cino to Antonio.
Now, from Antonio to Texas dude.

Ok, I slept through the second one!

Road Fan 07-12-21 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22136712)
It's a race between Cinelli and Colnago to see who can be the first Ferrari copycat to offer branded aftershave and soap.

-Kurt

And fountain pens!

Road Fan 07-12-21 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22135956)
I think it’s just their bank accounts that are located in Delaware along with a PO Box.

I think the lawyers live in the same industrial parks as the money does.

conspiratemus1 07-12-21 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by bikingshearer (Post 22135613)
"I recognized in Victor Luis the perfect understanding of my vision of merging cycling with art, culture, design, technology and competition, combined with an undisputed and proven managerial and organizational ability." That's the big highlighted quote in the middle of the page.

Stuff like this makes the 63 year old cynical version of me laugh. As if what the buyer thinks of the seller's "vision" matters one little bit. And as if the seller has anything to do about what the buyer's ulitmate "vision" turns out to be. The Cinelli name on WalMart bicycle-shaped objects? Flying C logos on edible underwear? A string of "Cino's Cheap Eats"? All possible, albeit rather unlikely. The point is that the seller has f*** all to say about it once the money changes hands and the contracts are signed regardless of the lipstick-on-a-pig PR twaddle.

And this rubs you the wrong way, inciting cynical laughter, why, exactly? The seller is relieved to be free of the burden of running a no-longer-successful company. He gets some money in his pocket instead of watching his own “vision” of his firm bleed money (“gradually then suddenly” as the saying goes) until his capital is exhausted. It costs nothing to say nice things about the guy you sold to, so why not? — it was probably costed into the goodwill anyway.

cudak888 07-12-21 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 22138199)
And fountain pens!

Don't forget the desk clocks and keyrings.


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 22138214)
I think the lawyers live in the same industrial parks as the money does.

"This system is feasible because product-liability lawyers are spore-based organisms who can survive for years without air." - Dave Barry

-Kurt

bikingshearer 07-12-21 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by conspiratemus1 (Post 22138297)
And this rubs you the wrong way, inciting cynical laughter, why, exactly? The seller is relieved to be free of the burden of running a no-longer-successful company. He gets some money in his pocket instead of watching his own “vision” of his firm bleed money (“gradually then suddenly” as the saying goes) until his capital is exhausted. It costs nothing to say nice things about the guy you sold to, so why not? — it was probably costed into the goodwill anyway.

Rub me the wrong way? Not really. Cynical laughter (chuckle, really)? Yes, because of the perceived need to obfuscate the reasons for the deal and the over-the-top BS used to do the obfuscating. (Another possible scenario for the sale, by the way: The next generation of Colombos is not interested in running the business, so the current powers that be decided to cash out.) Whatever the reason for the deal is, the parties' apparent need for puffery that is so obvious and so cheesy makes it the object of my cynical expressions of warped mirth.

And I have no doubt whatsoever that neither the seller nor the buyer give a poop what I think, and I'm okay with that.

repechage 07-12-21 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by bikingshearer (Post 22138349)
Rub me the wrong way? Not really. Cynical laughter (chuckle, really)? Yes, because of the perceived need to obfuscate the reasons for the deal and the over-the-top BS used to do the obfuscating. (Another possible scenario for the sale, by the way: The next generation of Colombos is not interested in running the business, so the current powers that be decided to cash out.) Whatever the reason for the deal is, the parties' apparent need for puffery that is so obvious and so cheesy makes it the object of my cynical expressions of warped mirth.

And I have no doubt whatsoever that neither the seller nor the buyer give a poop what I think, and I'm okay with that.

Yeah, you already have your Cinelli bikes. Little money from you, unless they do some amazing reissue wool kit.
How about this for a press release-

"I have guided the brand since 1983, I was young, I wish to reap some reward for all this effort.
I see So many high value Italian and French luxury brands change hands with terrific success, I want my Ferrari now. I am tired of driving a Fiat.
The buyer will make money, I have excluded them from making Cinelli coasters.
Thanks for all your euros over the years. The future will be profitable.
I will take Valentino out to lunch, we will talk"

bikingshearer 07-12-21 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by repechage (Post 22138366)
Yeah, you already have your Cinelli bikes. Little money from you, unless they do some amazing reissue wool kit.
How about this for a press release-

"I have guided the brand since 1983, I was young, I wish to reap some reward for all this effort.
I see So many high value Italian and French luxury brands change hands with terrific success, I want my Ferrari now. I am tired of driving a Fiat.
The buyer will make money, I have excluded them from making Cinelli coasters.
Thanks for all your euros over the years. The future will be profitable.
I will take Valentino out to lunch, we will talk"

Love the new press release. It would be refreshing to see them actually release this.

And speaking of reissue wool kit, here is the Christmas present I got for myself with the wife's blessing. Available now at wingedstore.com in the "Cino Collection" section.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7deda4eba9.jpg

tendency 07-12-21 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Dylansbob (Post 22135308)
Interesting. It looks like the new owner has extensive background with high-end, luxury brands. I'm guessing the brand will continue in that direction, although it already kinda was trying to.

No mention on the bike line. I've had 2 modern, Taiwan-welded Cinellis that I've sold in the last 5yrs and both went way quicker than I expected. A Tipo Pista for $350 (paid $300 on Amazon) and a Hobootleg for $600 (bought as $199 frameset, also from the big A)

What is the world coming to when A) you can buy a Cinelli frame for a few hundred $$ and B) they are making bikes in Taiwan. Sad. Hopefully new ownership 86s these low end monstrosities.

Road Fan 07-12-21 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 22138324)
Don't forget the desk clocks and keyrings.



"This system is feasible because product-liability lawyers are spore-based organisms who can survive for years without air." - Dave Barry

-Kurt

That point came to mind because of my recent experience trying to get a consulting contract. The client company, an automotive Tier 1 supplier to all the vehicle manufacturers of heavy truck-tractors, is incorporated in Delaware though the program management, engineering, and development functions are all HQ in Michigan.

"Why does that matter to me?" I innocently cried? Came the response, "If they want to sue you they will file and probably litigate it in Delaware, and you'll have to spend a lot of time there!"

Since my bid to consult failed because of their litigation policies, I now see this as part of an important point.

jiangshi 07-12-21 01:12 PM

Cinelli did not sell, it was wholly owned by Columbus, which is now Gruppo SPA, a division Of Gruppo Srl, which is the parent company. Controlling interest in the parent company sold.

This article explains it a bit more clearly, and in English. It may be a good thing.

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/anno...s#.YObM-2kpBPw

e-RICHIE 07-12-21 01:22 PM

As a customer, a reseller of many of the materials these brands manufacture (many to my specs), and someone who assembles bicycles with components from Cinelli and Columbus, I'm very happy with this news story as well as grateful that the Columbo family kept this torch lit for so many decades. When the middle 1970s sale of Cinelli to Signor Columbo happened, very little changed internally. The real differences have come from the evolution within the industry, something very few labels are immune to. Gruppo has always been a modern and forward thinking company. Now it has a new majority owner from North America. I can't see a downside.

mstateglfr 07-12-21 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by tendency (Post 22138473)
What is the world coming to when A) you can buy a Cinelli frame for a few hundred $$ and B) they are making bikes in Taiwan. Sad. Hopefully new ownership 86s these low end monstrosities.

The hobootleg models were pretty versatile. Are you even aware if them? Screaming value for a year or so online.
Monstrosity isn't a word I would choose, even if given 100 words.

jiangshi 07-12-21 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by e-RICHIE (Post 22138744)
As a customer, a reseller of many of the materials these brands manufacture (many to my specs), and someone who assembles bicycles with components from Cinelli and Columbus, I'm very happy with this news story as well as grateful that the Columbo family kept this torch lit for so many decades. When the middle 1970s sale of Cinelli to Signor Columbo happened, very little changed internally. The real differences have come from the evolution within the industry, something very few labels are immune to. Gruppo has always been a modern and forward thinking company. Now it has a new majority owner from North America. I can't see a downside.

Well said, Thanks Richard.

noglider 07-12-21 04:13 PM

I don't generally like mergers and acquisitions. I don't think they improve things for most people. So I shrugged upon seeing this news. In the Italian article, it says the aim is to double revenue. I definitely don't like the sound of that.

iab 07-12-21 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by repechage (Post 22138366)
Yeah, you already have your Cinelli bikes. Little money from you, unless they do some amazing reissue wool kit.
How about this for a press release-

"I have guided the brand since 1983, I was young, I wish to reap some reward for all this effort.
I see So many high value Italian and French luxury brands change hands with terrific success, I want my Ferrari now. I am tired of driving a Fiat.
The buyer will make money, I have excluded them from making Cinelli coasters.
Thanks for all your euros over the years. The future will be profitable.
I will take Valentino out to lunch, we will talk"

Except while the money is probably great, he doesn't need it. He may want it, but certainly doesn't need it. And he has been merging art culture and bikes for at least 40 years. I don't know why that gets anyone's knickers in a twist. The Haring behind his desk would get him at least a couple dozen Ferraris. The Haring Laser is probably worth at least one alone.

https://live.staticflickr.com/4669/4...2689781c_h.jpgCinelli 044 by iabisdb, on Flickr

e-RICHIE 07-12-21 05:11 PM

Heh?
Huh!

The transfer of majority ownership isn’t so much about what Mr. Columbo needs or wants.
It’s to ensure the brands he’s been steward of for his adulthood remain in good stead.






Originally Posted by iab (Post 22139104)
Except while the money is probably great, he doesn't need it. He may want it, but certainly doesn't need it. And he has been merging art culture and bikes for at least 40 years. I don't know why that gets anyone's knickers in a twist. The Haring behind his desk would get him at least a couple dozen Ferraris. The Haring Laser is probably worth at least one alone.

https://live.staticflickr.com/4669/4...2689781c_h.jpgCinelli 044 by iabisdb, on Flickr



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