Wasn't that decreed not C&V when this forum was opened? https://www.bikeforums.net/early-bri...s-7-8-9-speed/

-Kurt

I saw one to ID all frames including motorcycles and they had an Ebike. I'm ok with getting the dang thing wrong but I should at least get the image with the correct answer.

Dunno if "early brifters" have ever been explicitly stated to be "not C&V". I've never been able to find an explicit definition of what is and isn't "C&V" for the purposes of this forum, and I wasn't a member when the C&V forum was created. But yes, the creation of the "early brifter bikes" near-ghost-town forum does imply that.

However, that decision is questionable IMO. Plus, as time passes the definition of what is considered "C&V" changes in every field of human activity. Cycling is no different.

Case in point, from the automotive world: when the first Ford Mustang was sold in the mid-1960s, it was certainly not "vintage" and most didn't yet consider it a classic (though some did from nearly day one). 30 years later, it was generally considered a prime example of both. Today? If you want to obtain one, well, good luck finding one for sale - and if you do, bring serious $$$.

Minor error in my original post: I had mis-remembered the intro date of STI's - they were introduced in 1990, not the mid-1980s as I'd erroneously recalled (that was STI). They're thus "only" been around 30+ years, not 35+.

I probably should have put an "/s" at the end of my post, if you get my brift

-Kurt

That would have helped. Otherwise a responder can misinterpret and brift off-course a bit.

Kinda like I did.

I've always thought that was beyond funny. When I was young we laughed at kids whose parents got them a Mustang. The old ones are still one of the most unattractive cars Ford ever built no matter what they sell for. I mean, just plain goofy looking.

To each his own. Along with many car aficionados, I've always considered the first Mustang body style (1964-½ through 1967) among the cleanest and nicest auto designs Detroit ever made.

Now, when you start talking some of the later models, well . . . you've got a point. Especially when you get to the Pinto-chassis-based Mustang IIs.

One of my favorite movies as a kid (just ask my folks!) Fun fact: the hippie next to them at the drive-in diner was also Dean Jones.

And "Guinevere" was Buddy Hackett. "Couple of weirdos, eh, Guinevere?"

The main bug used for the racing shots ran on 15x7 track-spec Firestones and (at the time) had a Super 90 out of a 356B shoved in it.

-Kurt

If the movie was meant to be some sort of film noir cautionary tale of a dystopian future featuring cars that drive themselves, imprisoning their hapless occupants, it kinda missed the mark....

My wife sits at red lights with all the cars waiting for it to turn green because she thinks it's safer. I tell her "cars kill" and I use them being stopped to get away from them for safety.