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Bad Lag 11-09-22 12:50 AM

Need New Shifter Cables
 
My levers are 1970's-era Campagnolo Nuovo Record.

Which shifter cables will fit (the barrel end)?

Who makes good cables these days?

Robvolz 11-09-22 02:32 AM

honestly, there are issues with newer derailleur cables.

With today's technology, they are both thinner, stronger and less resistance.

The problem with that, is our vintage stuff was designed to take thicker cables with less "slick"

I go to the local co-op and grab from the bin. sometimes its $1, sometimes they say, "get outta here"

Bring a lever with you, but most cables come with two ends and you cut off the wrong one for your bike.

tiger1964 11-09-22 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Robvolz (Post 22705384)
Bring a lever with you, but most cables come with two ends and you cut off the wrong one for your bike.

I dunno; last time I needed a Huret-style end cable, at the LBS they rummaged around and "this is the last one". This won't impact the OP, as Campy/Shimano/Suntour end is prevalent.

Bad Lag 11-09-22 10:30 AM

So, the modern barrel ends do fit the old Campagnolo shifters. That's good to know because I was planning to order online but don't want to by incompatible parts.

The shifter cables I have do seem very thin. Several strands actually wore through or broke somehow and I am probably headed towards a broken cable (bad). I want to replace them before that happens.

We don't have any co-ops around here. We barely have any bike shops that aren't sales outlets for ebikes and beach cruisers. Performance is long gone. Bikecology is gone, Ted Ernst is long since gone,... The last brake pads I bought came from Europe (England, IIRC).

jdawginsc 11-09-22 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Bad Lag (Post 22705637)
So, the modern barrel ends do fit the old Campagnolo shifters. That's good to know because I was planning to order online but don't want to by incompatible parts.

The shifter cables I have do seem very thin. Several strands actually wore through or broke somehow and I am probably headed towards a broken cable (bad). I want to replace them before that happens.

We don't have any co-ops around here. We barely have any bike shops that aren't sales outlets for ebikes and beach cruisers. Performance is long gone. Bikecology is gone, Ted Ernst is long since gone,... The last brake pads I bought came from Europe (England, IIRC).

I actually like the Jagwire cable sets that come with the inner cable. I have filed the barrels down for older shifters with small barrel indents. Depending what you want to spend you can get solid cables. These are cheaper in a set

https://www.amazon.com/JAGWIRE-Slick...%2C177&sr=8-12

smd4 11-09-22 10:59 AM

I'm looking forward to trying the Alligator 31 strand cables. They look to be of very high quality.

Bad Lag 11-09-22 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by jdawginsc (Post 22705645)
I have filed the barrels down for older shifters with small barrel indents.

See, this is why I am asking before I buy. I do not want to pay up to $30 for a single cable and then have to do this because it does not fit the shift lever.


My shift cables are not inside a housing.

Does anyone know what wire diameter to look for and what to avoid as too thin?

smd4 11-09-22 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by Bad Lag (Post 22705658)
See, this is why I am asking before I buy. I do not want to pay $25 for a single cable and then have to do this because it does not fit the shift lever.

Shift cables for downtube shifters cost $25? Guess my $5 Alligators are a complete anomaly!

shoota 11-09-22 11:10 AM

I think we're over complicating things here. Campy shifters of that era used a slightly smaller barrel end on the cable. If you just buy a regular cable these days it'll likely have the larger Shimano barrel size, and then you have to file it. Look for Campy compatible cables and you'll be fine.

An example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/22391471451...3ABFBMpuP11Yth

SJX426 11-09-22 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by smd4 (Post 22705660)
Shift cables for downtube shifters cost $25? Guess my $5 Alligators are a complete anomaly!

Campy complete set are $45 I bought a set at $30, thinking it was high but wanted one brand name on one bike. They have incredible performance for cables.
I believe the shift cables today are 4 mm vs C&V at 5. Smaller housing too.

RD still requires a housing to get from the CS to the RD

smd4 11-09-22 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Bad Lag (Post 22705658)
See, this is why I am asking before I buy. I do not want to pay up to $30 for a single cable and then have to do this because it does not fit the shift lever.

Now it's up to $30 for a single shift cable? You need to find a different parts supplier. Like, yesterday.

smd4 11-09-22 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by SJX426 (Post 22705677)
Campy complete set are $45 I bought a set at $30, thinking it was high but wanted one brand name on one bike.

I get that. And if you need to have the name brand, you just have to pony up. But the OP seems like he's looking for any cable that'll work. And there are many that are a lot cheaper than $30 for a single cable.

SJX426 11-09-22 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by smd4 (Post 22705681)
I get that. And if you need to have the name brand, you just have to pony up. But the OP seems like he's looking for any cable that'll work. And there are many that are a lot cheaper than $30 for a single cable.

I would not pay $30 for a single cable regardless. My $s were for brake and shift cables with housings and ferrules'.

smd4 11-09-22 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by SJX426 (Post 22705698)
I would not pay $30 for a single cable regardless. My $s were for brake and shift cables with housings and ferrules'.

Oh, right, that makes sense. The OP says he doesn’t want to pay $30 for a single downtube shift cable, which seems to be out of the realm of reality—even including a foot or so of housing.

SpedFast 11-09-22 11:41 AM

I'm not familiar with Campy gear, but I thought barrels were for MTB brake cables.
Note-I too buy in bulk from China and average a buck a cable for stainless- both shifter and brake. I get my housings in 3 meter lengths for around 5 bucks.

smd4 11-09-22 11:43 AM

Is there an accepted term for the bit of pot metal at the end of a shift or brake cable? I've never heard of "barrels." Lugs, maybe?

SpedFast 11-09-22 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by smd4 (Post 22705715)
Is there an accepted term for the bit of pot metal at the end of a shift or brake cable? I've never heard of "barrels." Lugs, maybe?

Yes
I can't get the image to load w/pics and names of all the different ends. Campy's are slightly different though from Shimano
https://i.stack.imgur.com/06jsh.jpg

SurferRosa 11-09-22 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by SpedFast (Post 22705712)
I too buy in bulk from China and average a buck a cable for stainless- both shifter and brake.

Yesterday, I couldn't find brake cables that cheap on eBay. Got a link? I needed a couple and just bought a Shimano kit with housing for $10.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392825985680

smd4 11-09-22 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by SpedFast (Post 22705716)
Yes
I can't get the image to load w/pics and names of all the different ends. Campy's are slightly different though from Shimano

The image loaded. Thanks.

JohnDThompson 11-09-22 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by tiger1964 (Post 22705456)
I dunno; last time I needed a Huret-style end cable, at the LBS they rummaged around and "this is the last one".

FWIW, I've converted standard "in-line barrel" cable ends to functional Huret disc-type cable ends by squeezing the barrel in a vise until it fits into the slot on the Huret shifter. Often, a little touch-up with a file is needed to get the proper fit. It seldom takes more than a couple of minutes altogether to modify the cable end.

Dfrost 11-09-22 02:28 PM

From my favorite source. Note the Campagnolo-specific shift cables in two lengths - $13 for 2.3m, $18 for $3.1m, plenty in stock:

https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...&category=4385

jdawginsc 11-09-22 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Dfrost (Post 22705882)
From my favorite source. Note the Campagnolo-specific shift cables in two lengths - $13 for 2.3m, $18 for $3.1m, plenty in stock:

https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...&category=4385

Yep, those are Jagwire I think.

For very old shifters you have to file a bit of the barrel even with Campy ones...I think.

SpedFast 11-09-22 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by SurferRosa (Post 22705732)
Yesterday, I couldn't find brake cables that cheap on eBay. Got a link? I needed a couple and just bought a Shimano kit with housing for $10.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392825985680

Here's the ebay item #363784565460 for the brake cables. The shifters are cheaper and lots of sellers. HTH ( I know, too late)

machinist42 11-09-22 09:21 PM

Snippy
 

Originally Posted by SurferRosa (Post 22706191)

Link.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b19b51998.png

SpedFast 11-09-22 09:31 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/29506088377....c101112.m2109

If this link works, otherwise, there are lots of other sellers with the same cables and pricing. It states standard shipping, but the lemon seller actually uses Speedpack and I got my order in less than 2 weeks.


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