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Old 05-29-23, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by himespau
Buying: Tandem is one bike
Selling: Tandem is two bikes

Isn't that the rule that we all know? I think it might be engraved in stone somewhere.
It's certainly the one we should be going with on this.
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Originally Posted by merziac
2X, period.
One frame, one pair of wheels one set of derailleurs, one fork, if anything 1.5 bikes or a commuter special.
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Originally Posted by Portlandjim
I gave him the bike, he never even said thanks. Many years later he tried to sell it back to me! What a jerk.
I've got one: I made Sprint bikes for Ken Carpenter, which he used to win, I forget, at least 3 or 4 National championships, and raced in two Olympic games. Jim might remember those, because they said "Specialized" on them... at first. Later after he switched sponsors, the same frames were painted to look like titanium and said Merlin on them! We got paid to make them, by Big S who were his bike sponsors at the time. Ken is not the jerk in this story, he was great to work with.

Then a guy who came in second to Ken a few times decided that what Ken had, that he didn't have, was a frame made by me. He came to us and we agreed to make him a frame for free. I don't know if there was a signed contract, but the understanding was that he had to race on it exclusively. He had us paint it in a fade from silver to gold, get it? Well, then he got a better offer from Cannondale, not just free bike but cash money as well, so next thing we know he's racing a Can o' Ale. We asked for our frame back and he declined. We did get it back, but it invlolved a court order and the Sherriff taking possession of it.

Later that guy had a spectacular crash at Nationals in the Tandem Sprint when the fork crown on his tandem blew apart. The crown had been made of thin pieces of sheetmetal that looked like a nice solid crown until it blew open and you could see how shoddily it had been made. Pretty sure I heard he sued the bike maker. So glad we weren't associated with that jerk anymore. He shoulda had me make his tandem, mine don't break! But he burned that bridge. Can't say I shed a tear about his nasty crash, which seemed a bit like karma.

Apologies if I've gotten any of these memories wrong or mixed up. Best not to name names since I've landed on my head a few times and don't trust my memory.

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Originally Posted by bulgie
. Can't say I shed a tear about his nasty crash, which seemed a bit like karma.

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Indeed. Sometimes, just sometimes, people get what they have coming to them.
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Old 05-29-23, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Schweinhund
One frame, one pair of wheels one set of derailleurs, one fork, if anything 1.5 bikes or a commuter special.
2 riders is all that matters, would take 2 bikes to replace it, period.
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Originally Posted by merziac
period.
PERIOD!!!

hahahaahaha! If I cut it in half to make two bikes, what parts will I need?
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Originally Posted by merziac
2 riders is all that matters, would take 2 bikes to replace it, period.
Just to be clear, under this definition a BMX bike with foot pegs that someone occasionally stands on is 2 bikes.
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Old 05-29-23, 05:33 PM
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A tandem is a lot less than one good bike, but takes up the space of two.
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Old 05-29-23, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by himespau
Buying: Tandem is one bike
Selling: Tandem is two bikes
This.
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If I am following the "Logic" that makes this Rodriguez 4 bikes?

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^ I never wanted to take off my cowboy boots either!
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Old 05-29-23, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCaled
If I am following the "Logic" that makes this Rodriguez 4 bikes?

Would there be any other way for all four to ride together without 2 tandems or 1 tandem and 2 singles?

Yes, 4 singles.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
^ I never wanted to take off my cowboy boots either!
Totally missed the boots, classy.
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Old 05-29-23, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCaled
Totally missed the boots, classy.
Giddy up.
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Old 05-29-23, 09:22 PM
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I am with velomateo - the relevant math is how much space it takes up. Tandems are the worst - they don't fit in any space that was intended for a bike. At the co-op we do whatever we can to get rid of them.
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Old 05-30-23, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
Is there an engineering advantage to having it on the chain stay bridge?
Don't think so, there was some vague idea that it was more aero due to being behind the BB shell and cranks, etc. Pretty optimistic that it would make any difference.

The downside is, as you observed, it gets its fair share of road gunk. Guess that's not the end of the world in a time trial.

It's something that still finds its way onto modern frames.
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My question is did you get it?
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Last time I decided to splurge my wife told me to get a job or return it. So got a job I did. Since then I've spent about another 5k on boards and bindings and another like 8k on snow gear and trips. All cause of a $450 snowboard I bought like 5 months ago soo jokes on her =D
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My question is did you get it?
If it is like most of these posts, no.
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I got it.

Now I need to read up on Japanese parts.

Unless Shimano is going to sponsor me, that TT sticker has to go.
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Originally Posted by alexihnen
Well, that’s good and bad. I don’t think I could change anything about it.
Well, I'm no expert, but by adding wheels, it will roll better.
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Originally Posted by alexihnen
Well, that’s good and bad. I don’t think I could change anything about it.
feel free to do absolutely anything you want to the bicycles you own. I will never quibble or question your judgment.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
I got it.

Now I need to read up on Japanese parts.

Unless Shimano is going to sponsor me, that TT sticker has to go.
Fantastic!

I would reserve full judgement on the sticker, it is a part of Jims involvement and history with them at the time, he was instrumental in the launch of those groups.

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so pretty without the sticker
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Old 05-30-23, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by iab
Well, I'm no expert, but by adding wheels, it will roll better.
Well, that's your opinion. Elitist.



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