Help Identifying 1962 Italian Bicycle
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Help Identifying 1962 Italian Bicycle
I came across a rather distressed early 1960's bicycle, judging by the rust it apparently spent many years sitting out in the rain here in the Seattle area. I'm enjoying the chance to learn how to disassemble and service the vintage bike parts without worry about breaking things (figured I couldn't make it much worse). While I think the paint/chrome is original, the bike lacks any identifying info (other than a "Made in Italy" decal). Based on the components (below), I think it is a 1962 bicycle. The lug patterns, notably the fork crown seemed like a potential discriminator, but I haven't found matching examples when googling 1962 Italian bicycles. I'd appreciate any ideas on what brand of bicycle this might be, I'd love to know what replacement head badge to look for. Thanks!
-Campagnolo Gran Sport front derailleur and rear derailleur (1960 version)
-Campagnolo Record (no-record) high flange hubs (locknut stamped 1962)
-Magistroni bottom bracket and crankset (cottered).
-Universal Mod. 61 center-pull brakes
-Way-Assauto pedals
-Ambrosio stem, unmarked alloy handlebar
-Ambrosio Extra steel rims
-26.2mm seatpost diameter
-S/N 8931 stamped underside of frame at bottom bracket
-Mismatched fenders, the front looks a bit like a Schwinn fender, so I'm assuming the ribbed rear fender is the original.
-Wrights saddle.
-Campagnolo Gran Sport front derailleur and rear derailleur (1960 version)
-Campagnolo Record (no-record) high flange hubs (locknut stamped 1962)
-Magistroni bottom bracket and crankset (cottered).
-Universal Mod. 61 center-pull brakes
-Way-Assauto pedals
-Ambrosio stem, unmarked alloy handlebar
-Ambrosio Extra steel rims
-26.2mm seatpost diameter
-S/N 8931 stamped underside of frame at bottom bracket
-Mismatched fenders, the front looks a bit like a Schwinn fender, so I'm assuming the ribbed rear fender is the original.
-Wrights saddle.
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I can't help you identify the bike but that is a really nice bike and you did a heck of a job getting those parts cleaned up.
I don't think I've ever seen record hubs laced to steel rims.
What are your plans for the bike? Sun CR 18 rims would not look out of place on this bike.
I don't think I've ever seen record hubs laced to steel rims.
What are your plans for the bike? Sun CR 18 rims would not look out of place on this bike.
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Sometimes the stamping on the crank arm has a brand name instead of the crank maker.
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frame -
constructed with Agrati lug pattern "AM" ART. 000.8040/E/U
upper head lug Agrati N. 000.8044
lower head lug Agrati N. 000.8043
seat lug Agrati N. 005.8049
bottom bracket shell Agrati N. 000.8507
fork crown Agrati N. 005.8048
dropouts Agrati N. 000.8002
fork ends Agrati N. 000.8010
26.2mm pillar size tells us frame constructed of a quality plain gauge tube set such as Zeta or Z50
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fittings -
presence of Record model hubs surprising
for a cycle at this level in a manufacturer's range at this time one would expect the Campag Sportman if they were going to go with Campag for hubs
marking on inner face of axle locknuts should agree with your dating if wheels original to cycle
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maker -
no guesses
two clues which somewhat narrow the field are the placement of rear brake housing stops on the underside of the top tube
and the fitment of a metal headplate affixed with adhesive; "usually" in such cases it is of stamped aluminum sheet rather than brass or steel
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our foremost frame detective MauriceMoss may see something to yield a specific identification
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frame -
constructed with Agrati lug pattern "AM" ART. 000.8040/E/U
upper head lug Agrati N. 000.8044
lower head lug Agrati N. 000.8043
seat lug Agrati N. 005.8049
bottom bracket shell Agrati N. 000.8507
fork crown Agrati N. 005.8048
dropouts Agrati N. 000.8002
fork ends Agrati N. 000.8010
26.2mm pillar size tells us frame constructed of a quality plain gauge tube set such as Zeta or Z50
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fittings -
presence of Record model hubs surprising
for a cycle at this level in a manufacturer's range at this time one would expect the Campag Sportman if they were going to go with Campag for hubs
marking on inner face of axle locknuts should agree with your dating if wheels original to cycle
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maker -
no guesses
two clues which somewhat narrow the field are the placement of rear brake housing stops on the underside of the top tube
and the fitment of a metal headplate affixed with adhesive; "usually" in such cases it is of stamped aluminum sheet rather than brass or steel
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our foremost frame detective MauriceMoss may see something to yield a specific identification
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Thanks for the responses and leads!
bikemig , I'm hoping to get (most of it) riding again. I salvaged 18 spokes from the rusted out front wheel to replace 18 bad spokes on the rear wheel. Despite the rear rim being marginal, I trued it up today and brought the tension up, it seemed to hold. Thanks for the idea for the Sun rim, I'll need a new front rim. The other worry spot is the rusted chain stay on the frame, it appears structurally ok, but I guess I'll find out when I get it back together.
repechage , that's a good thought, I looked over all the crankset pieces, and they all just have the Magistroni stamp and logo.
juvela , wow. that's great info. I searched the forum for examples with similar lugs that you listed, a few bikes showed up, mostly circa late-60's, there was a bicycle from the "other Bianchi", and maybe more likely, a Chiorda bike (which seems to be common brand for showing up in the US, at least in the 70s).
Bianchi trying to determine model and value
CHIORDA Road Bike, late 1960's
bikemig , I'm hoping to get (most of it) riding again. I salvaged 18 spokes from the rusted out front wheel to replace 18 bad spokes on the rear wheel. Despite the rear rim being marginal, I trued it up today and brought the tension up, it seemed to hold. Thanks for the idea for the Sun rim, I'll need a new front rim. The other worry spot is the rusted chain stay on the frame, it appears structurally ok, but I guess I'll find out when I get it back together.
repechage , that's a good thought, I looked over all the crankset pieces, and they all just have the Magistroni stamp and logo.
juvela , wow. that's great info. I searched the forum for examples with similar lugs that you listed, a few bikes showed up, mostly circa late-60's, there was a bicycle from the "other Bianchi", and maybe more likely, a Chiorda bike (which seems to be common brand for showing up in the US, at least in the 70s).
Bianchi trying to determine model and value
CHIORDA Road Bike, late 1960's
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I am finding bikeforums contains so much info!
Posted years ago was a (perhaps slightly earlier) Chiorda with suspiciously similar paint scheme.
an old Chiorda, di Bergamo
Posted years ago was a (perhaps slightly earlier) Chiorda with suspiciously similar paint scheme.
an old Chiorda, di Bergamo
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I've seen that spearpoint fork crown more than once yet I continue not to remember. The joys of age. Sorry. But I think that is your best bet to ID the frame.
I also suspect the hubs, stem/bars and possibly the brakes were an owner upgrade and not original to the bike.
I also suspect the hubs, stem/bars and possibly the brakes were an owner upgrade and not original to the bike.