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Originally Posted by Road Fan
(Post 22980089)
Michigan seems to be losing professional frame-work practitioners.
Mark B |
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 22979088)
Whatever will you do with all of that free time?
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Originally Posted by bulgie
(Post 22980327)
Do you know Doug Fattic ? He's in Niles Michigan and has more fork alignment knowledge in his little finger than... OK enough with the labored cliché, let's just say he's very good. Not sure if he takes in repairs. He does teach framebuilding classes though, so take one and then you'll be able to align your own forks. Or at least he'll be able to point you to someone who does fork alignment, maybe one of his students. Maybe he'll chime in on this thread now that I've mentioned him.
Mark B What Mark said. Doing a decent fork alignment requires some specialized tools. Most frame builders check fork alignment in their fork making fixture. Fork alignment starts by getting the dropouts equidistant from the fork's steerer or centerline. This is where a special tool is needed. Once the left/right equal distance is accomplished, the next step is to get the fore/aft right. Not only does the ends of the dropout slots need to be the same distance long, they also have to have the same amount of original rake (unless it is purposely being changed). Sometimes some research has to be done to get that right. What can happen is that the bike can have a front end accident and that can bend back the blades. There is nothing on the fork itself to tell you what the original rake should be. I have tooling to easily measure rake on a fork. Once that has been done, then the H tools can be used to square the faces of the dropouts so they are parallel with each other. And now finally a true wheel can be used to see if there are any discrepancies. It should center. If the fork has a 1" steerer, it is easy to look down the steerer to see if the rim leans to one side or the other. I'm not opposed to filing the dropout slot a little. I do this by laying the file with about the same radius as the slot width in both dropouts and use the opposite dropout as a filing guide. I just put pressure in the one needing to be filed. Of course like any alignment, once one factor has been altered, there needs to be a check with all the possibilities before giving the fork a clean bill of health. |
So the issue is.... fork’s bent?
Originally Posted by gugie
(Post 22979815)
And, btw, my rate is the same as [MENTION=160106]bulgie[/MENTION]'s, with the exception that my publicist, [MENTION=111144]Andy_K[/MENTION] disdains IPA's, and I try to keep him happy.
Originally Posted by RustyJames
(Post 22980169)
Noted! I’m more of a Belgian ale type so for the sake of maintaining a healthy business model I may bring the appropriate beverage.
Originally Posted by Mr. Spadoni
(Post 22980475)
Free time in retirement is a myth. Ask a retired person.
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Doug Fattic You addressed all of my thoughts and questions regarding all of the factors one needs to consider when carrying out a fork repair. For example, If both blades of the the fork are bent backwards but aren’t bent equal amounts, how does one determine the correct angles? If the blades are then bent back into roughly the proper angles does one rely on the eyeball gauge to say the angles and curvature are correct? I know there’s math and stuff but would a better question be, “What do you want? Comfort? Sharp steering? Style points?”
I hope I’m making sense. Probably not but a guy can hope! |
Originally Posted by RustyJames
(Post 22981117)
Doug Fattic You addressed all of my thoughts and questions regarding all of the factors one needs to consider when carrying out a fork repair. For example, If both blades of the the fork are bent backwards but aren’t bent equal amounts, how does one determine the correct angles? If the blades are then bent back into roughly the proper angles does one rely on the eyeball gauge to say the angles and curvature are correct? I know there’s math and stuff but would a better question be, “What do you want? Comfort? Sharp steering? Style points?”
I hope I’m making sense. Probably not but a guy can hope! I have special tools that help me know which direction the blade needs to pulled to get it into alignment. it is always helpful to have the frame available to check the head angle to better guess what the fork rake is supposed to be. I've never bothered to try and figure out a home made way to check alignment. I don't have the need myself. When I am aligning a fork, I hold the fork with a wood block in the machinist vise on my workbench. I turn the fork so that I am always pulling the fork blade towards me (often with the help of my foot on the bench to give me more power and with gloves so the effort doesn't hurt my hands). It is a back and forth process to the fixtures until everything is aligned. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...24131e1e8.jpeg One of my frame building class students aligning a Schwann Super Sport frame from the 70's. It can take some effort to pull some blades straight. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e0184cf7d.jpeg I have 3 fork fixtures in this picture. My most accurate one is in front of the speaker standing upright. Look closely and you can see the carved lugs I did for a frame for my nephew https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8ea3f2b3e.jpeg Using Campy "H" tools to align the dropouts. |
When one fork is bent more than another, I clamp a straight stick across the crown and use another straight stick placed across the forks at various stations all the way to the dropouts and eyeball for parallelism. Then, push, pull, lever, pry, depending on your tools. I use a big two screw wood clamp to fix the fork to the workbench at the correct place and a piece of pipe over the fork for leverage at the correct place and lift. When it looks good, I put in my good wheel. If that looks good, I put the fork back in the frame and ride. If it pulls one way, I go back and try again. It is easiest to do this with caged HS bearings:)
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