You got all those pics, and not one of the seat lug??

The '80s frame probably rides better because of the racier geometry.

if one buys it, the paint I think really has to go, the shift bosses too as they do not appear aligned, I would ditch the BB cable noodles, I would keep the water bottle bosses, just me.
find better badge fasteners, restoring the badge is WORK. The [MENTION=46382]bikingshearer[/MENTION] question is, what to do with the Chrome?

You'd get rid of the brazed-on BB cable guides in favor of, what? A clamp-on guide? Weird. Also, anyone with a modicum of artistic talent could easily restore the badge. It's as simple as painting within the lines.

The shift bosses look fine to me. Any perceived "misalignment" is probably due to the camera angle/lens distortion.

Looks very much like my '70 Cinelli B, including the head badge without screws. Only 11 units apart on the serial number. That's saying a lot...

How much is he asking?

Without knowledge of asking price , it is unknown. I would get it if it were reasonably priced and the right size. You can choose to ride it as is until you decide what to do with it. I did a few minor changes to my Colnago but pretty much left it the way it came for about a year. Then I made it my own!

Better? For sure Different.
between the 60’s and the 80’s were the 70’s revisions.

yes. Clamp on guides, revise the cable stop to the top of the chainstay and return to clamp on shifters, the bike I think with this geometry just would appear wrong.

Sweeping critique of the talent and materials required to restore the head badge. I do not think you have attempted to do one. If you have, please share your amazing results.

Don’t neglect the silver plating base.

I have not done a Cinelli headbadge. But as an artist, I can easily see that it would not be a problem. I have painted similar plates. If you're not an artist, then I can understand why you would see it as a challenge.

A designer and modelmaker by training and career. Not that easy to do a respectable job.
If he buys the bike perhaps you would volunteer to set it right and prove how easy it is. Be sure to source the silver plating first.

A worn original as seen on velobase

I will defer to your superior knowledge of the early Acer-Mex/Carabela examples. I thought all Windsor Pros had 27.2mm seat posts, but I now know better. Thanks. And I agree that, at some point post-Colombo sale, Cinelli abandoned the 26.2mm seat posts. But as a matter of my own personal biases and fancies, my interest in Cinellis does not extend past the 1978 (I think) sale to the Colombos and thus does not extend to the non-26.2mm seat post era. Nothing wrong with those post-sale frames, just not my cup of tea.

I would very much expect that a 1960s Cinelli and a 1980s Cinelli to ride differently. As for whether the shorter, more upright 1980s frames ride better than the longer, more laid-back1960s frames - that is very much a matter of personal taste.

First, one has to define what "better" means. Is it better if it is stiffer? If it is more agile? More all-day comfortable? More straight-line stable? Pretty much all of these are YMMV criteria.

As for me, I have two mid-1960s Cinellis, both 64cm ctc, both heavy, both with 73/72.5 angles, and both with looong wheelbases. They both ride great. The one that I have blasphemously desecrated with a Campy 10sp triple drivetrain is the best riding bike I have ever been on. What makes me like it better to me than the other, Eroica/Cino complaint one is solely a matter components. Both bikes are stable, plenty stiff, plenty responsive although no one's first choice for a criterium, plenty comfy on a long ride, and have a certain slight extra, alive-feeling springiness that I can't quantify or adequately describe but that I love.

Would you prefer the ride of the 1960s Cinellis over that of the 1980s Cinellis? I don't know, but based solely on your comment, I kind of doubt it. I also largely don't care other than hoping that the bikes you ride - Cinelli or other - put big smiles on your face. As for me, if you see me on the road, I'll be the big guy on the big mid-1960s Cinelli with a big goofy grin on my face. Whatever you are riding, I wish you the same goofy grin.

No problem. But I ain't paying to have it plated. The painting, however, would be a piece of cake.

Then you are well versed in the cloisonne technique used for some era's iterations of the Cinelli Headbadge?

(As an "Artist" you must be aware that Enamel Paints are only an approximation of melted glass?)

Plating is rather plain in comparison.

I've heard they were found with a 27.2 or (early versions) with a 26.8 seat post but possibly even a 27.0 in 1970's era Acer-Mex "Pro" if something like an SP seat tube was used.
Also typical for that era would be a semi-sloping external-socketed fork crown (sort of like the Cinelli Model B but not exactly) but I've seen a few with a "Cinelli SC-like" full-sloping internal socket forkcrown (not sure if those examples were something after-market like a Tange replacement or made by Acer-Mex)
Plus the serial number on Windsor/Carabela Pros would typically be stamped on the side of the seat lug, usually the LH side, not on the BB shell.

All details subject to change and "exceptions prove the rules"

Not expensive but it would be risky to set it right and expect to recoup the total expense. Smile and wave.

Well, looks like a local collector snaped it up. Undisclosed amount

I would think it would be worth it if it were a keeper . I think if you were to want it correct , the end of the restoration would be a high number . There was one that popped up here in my size and an early bike like this one. The seller wanted too much for it considering the amount of work it would take to bring back. It seemed very reasonable at first , but once I added up what I would have to do to the bike , it was a no go. The seller would not hear of any negotiating , someone had told him an end of the rainbow value and was he sticking to it! Right now even the high end bikes have taken a hit , but it IS a Cinelli.....

It is!

Model B that is.

Original headset, nice! But without original spacer. I know a guy if you are interested.

Those are not original headbadge screws.

And as others noted, braze on shift bosses and cable guides are not original.

Definitely a fake. WHERE'S IT LOCATED?!?!?

What part of Canada?

Such looks like a good candidate for brush-plating; easy/safe/sort-of-cheap/doable in the kitchen.

30 years ago I saw a vendor brush plating Lexus emblems with 24kt gold at a dealership, when that was a thing. I did not know the system worked for silver.

^Caswell has them all from gold and silver to nickel (black nickel too), chrome, copper, bronze, brass, tin, zinc, even a "fake" cadmium (which presumably won't kill you or your family).
Not to mention home anodizing for aluminum.

All you need is money and then practice:
https://caswellplating.com/electropl...anodizing.html