Robvolz 

It has Suntour drop-outs.

It did not sell as a frame and fork, I thought I would rummage up the proper bits and build it as a complete bike.

I know very little about Japanese groups from the mid-70s

Anybody have one of these or know what would have come on this?

thanks.
PS: here are some new pictures of it in case you forgot what it looked like. The break raisins are now perfectly straight.




Brake bosses straight!!

Shiny seat-stay eyes like Valhalla

They are straight. The camera makes em’ look otherwise

Very drop and two eyes!!

Vintage_Cyclist

Here's some Centurion catalogs, with specs. That looks to be 1978 model. https://vintage-centurion.com/litera...catalogs.shtml

Here's my 1979, which came to me as a frame with just the stock headset. I didn't get too concerned about hanging stock components on it.



Due to the polished chrome under the paint, these are prone to scratches and your frame is particularly rough looking. Since you're going to get into the weeds building it up, you might want to consider stripping the paint and going chrome.

Here's a thread on a chrome build by @bwilli88 - New (to me) Centurion Pro Tour, Yep another one.

Also this blog - Centurion Pro Tour all-chrome 650B townie

gugie 

Sticky with the info you desire, if you bother to look.

Kilroy1988 

I briefly had a completely original example with Dia-Compe cantilever brakes, SR seatpost, stem, and randonneur handlebars, Tange headset, Sugino BB, SR Apex-5LA triple crankset, Suntour Cyclone Mk. I front and rear derailleurs, and barcon shifters, and Sunshine hubs laced to Araya rims.

Piff 

The SR Apex cranks are very nice, but the BCD is annoying. I'd be more tempted to use Sugino Mighty Tour. It's a double crank with 110 BCD that is turned into a triple essentially just with washers and longer bolts.

abdon 

The cyclone derailleurs are nice. The Dia Compe centerpulls are easy to source and inexpensive. The Sugino Mighty Tour was a double, 36-52; kinda against the norm, I would slap a triple. Handlebar was Sakae World Randoneur. If you want to go hog wild the correct stem is the Sakae Apex which has the SR logo with the word "forged" underneath; not particularly expensive but you have to look for it. MKS quill pedals. Araya rims with Sunshine low flange hubs. The seatpost was a Sakae Royal P1 with the two bolt adjustment and the pretty "Royal" logo on front.

jPrichard10 

I love 86 bcd. Wish it had become more popular, but Stronglihgt still makes chainrings in 86 bcd. Perfect for compact doubles, and small enough rings for a granny hear it you ask me. 110/74 is just more work and weight with having double the chainring bolts.

plonz 

According to pages that still exist at Vintage-Centurion, this maroon iteration would be a 1979. Here is your spec sheet

madpogue 

Break raisins?

Robvolz 

I just watched that Will Vinton doc that makes Nike’s Phil Knight look very very bad.

Sactown_Albert 

I use my Sugino Super Mighty as a compact with 52/36. Works great to give me good high and low gears for the hills without having to set it up as a triple.

panzerwagon 

Thats the part I find most surprising— despite the scratches I would have expected it to get a reasonable offer and move relatively quickly.

Here’s a recent sale of a slightly older example with good paint and a few extra parts:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314900981912

polymorphself 

Not sure what you had the frame listed for here but eBay prices aren’t something to base sales off of here. The prices there are typically very inflated and forum members here tend to price more fairly. Expect eBay listings to be 2x higher (in some cases more) what you can find the same thing here for. But here it’ll sell more quickly when priced well and you know it’s going to a good home.

bark_eater 

I don't want to derail this much further, but in my limited experience selling on this forum, I've asked "market price" and waited seasons, if not years till the right person came along.
And I start at the "What's it worth forum"

Robvolz 

The eBay example given wasn’t a “I’m asking this crazy amount” price, but what it actually sold for.

I was asking $325.

the little interest I received they inquired if I could round up some proper parts.

three times the sale didn’t go through.

since I volunteer at a co-op, it’s no big deal to scrounge up at least a proper crank, brakes and seat post. And charge accordingly. Not huge, but a lil more.

abdon 

For starters because it is not my size

Vintage touring bikes are highly coveted, by a smaller number of people. They take longer to sell for the right price and often lowering the price doesn't necessarily move them all that faster.

SoCaled 

Can someone explain why Pro gets 27" wheels and Semi-pro gets 700c?
Or why Pro is 23 lbs and Semi-pro is 21lbs?
Seems counterintuitive? what am I missing?

panzerwagon 

Semi-Pro was for racing and Pro-Tour was for touring (heavier tubing, triple crank, etc). The name ‘semi-pro’ might imply a ‘pro’ model placed above, but didn’t for some reason.

gugie 

Pro Tour - oxymoron. Hard to find someone being paid to tour.

Robvolz 

I think the first year of this did not have a triple, that came in the second or third year

I found an SR crank, the gearing seems very high and very low at the same time

this bike also now has alloy rims and sunshine hubs just like original




Original stem and original bars. The bars have never seen tape.

SunTour, front and rear, SR Kranks


Proper SR seatpost, I threw an Avoset seat on there.

The Golden Boy 

10 years ago, tourers were moving like nobody's business... low/mid level tourers were getting $300. The premium stuff was moving at $6-900.

nlerner

Then how do you account for the obvious tape residue shown in that pic?

Vintage_Cyclist

Unless you're just building-up a knock-around hoopty, I doubt hanging banged-up looking (cockpit) and lower end components (turkey arm brake levers /Suntour 7 derailleurs) on that frame would make it more desirable. Are the Sunshine hubs Pro Am or lesser offerings?

From the 1978 catalog:

Robvolz 

no sir. Not tape residue. Black dust from the packaging.

look at the other photo, you see no sign that these bars have ever been wrapped in bar tape

Robvolz 

I wasn’t charging any extra for this

you say banged up, that is the stem that was on there. Those handlebars were original NOS wrapped in plastic. Black plastic that crumbled when you touched it, I hadn’t bothered cleaning anything because I wasn’t planning on charging any extra for those parts, so the new owner can use them, throw them away, whatever you want.