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Old 05-15-24, 07:24 PM
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Anticipation....
Anticipa-ya-tion!


I got out the 7410 bits and laid them out, anticipating the arrival of the frame tomorrow "between 10:30 and 3:30".

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The frame is "Out For Delivery".


I am trying to be prudent and responsible in buying bits I need, or think I need. For example, I'm 95% certain I need to buy a 31.8mm adapter to use the 7410 FD I already have, and I've checked them out on Ebay, but I haven't pulled the trigger. Same for pedals, though there I know for sure I'll need some.
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FedEx sez package delivered. Mrs. GJ confirms. Still have hours more work to do.
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The frame has arrived, and I am very pleased! I read things here on BF about LeMond paint in that era being fragile and prone to chipping, but I'm damned if I can find any chips! There are some rubs, but even the "danger spots" where the STI cables often rub the headtube raw look fine. No chips under the downtube, no chips or wearthroughs on the chainstays, no gouges from chainsuck. I don't think I need the Scratch-X!



I put the headset together, so later tonight I can measure it all up and determine what length stem etc. I need. I've got a bunch of 130mm, which MIGHT fit, but I can't tell yet. I'll need to put a couple tires on these wheels - these aren't the final wheels, which are currently on the Ritchey.



It even came with bottle cages!!!
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I love the minutiae of a new project, like just last night I discovered that LeMond 853 frames have 31.8mm OD seat tubes and no FD braze-ons, and Shimano didn't make the FD-7410 in 31.8mm clamp-on. I thought about buying a 31.8mm FD-7700, but didn't. Then I thought, "Maybe Shimano made an adapter that will let me use the braze-on FD-7410 I bought for the Litespeed's second iteration?" and sure enough, they do.

Problem solved!
I assume you've already ordered this adapter, but since I couldn't locate it in your parts photo I thought I'd offer: I have one, I don't need it, and I'm in San Francisco so not far from you. I'd be happy to drop it in the mail.
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Originally Posted by nathand
I assume you've already ordered this adapter, but since I couldn't locate it in your parts photo I thought I'd offer: I have one, I don't need it, and I'm in San Francisco so not far from you. I'd be happy to drop it in the mail.
That's very generous! But I'd already placed the order....
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Originally Posted by genejockey
It even came with bottle cages!!!
Beautiful frame! You scored.

But get new bottle cages; the way those are constructed will only tear up your bottles.
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Nice. I was going to suggest a Trek Y-foil just to be ornery, but this looks like it'll build up into a much prettier bike.
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Since I had put the headset and fork on, I borrowed a set of wheels with tires on them to do some measurements and work out things like what length of stem I'll need. If I measured and calculated right, I need about a 120 or 130mm stem. As it happens, I have 3 130 stems I can use, so I have to decide which one:

3TTT Synthesis: Beautiful 80s/90s stem, classic -17 degree. I remember, though, that it felt a bit flexy when really honking on it.

Cinelli 1A: This is more a 70s/80s stem, again -17 degrees. It's actually 135mm, which might rule it out.

Ritchey WCS: Definitely mid-90s. TIG welded steel, 0 degree rise. It came on my Road Logic in 1997 - another TIG welded steel bike with Dura Ace (this is where the STIs and RD come from). It would lend it a less traditional look, and maybe that's what I'm going for?

I'll mock up the bike with each, measure, and look at it, and decide.
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Handlebar/Stem Mockups!

First, 3TTT Synthesis:




Next, Ritchey WCS:

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Aw, crap! I didn't adjust the HB to the same angle. Still, you get the basic idea.

Definitely different! Also, the angle of the Ritchey raises the bar ~1cm, even though less of the neck of the stem is exposed. It's definitely a more modern look. I'll have to spend some time later and do more measurements, and see which one gets the LeMond's contact points closer to my standard, the Litespeed.

EDIT: The Ritchey also adds a touch more extension, even though both are 130mm, because it's 0 degrees vs the -17 of the 3TTT
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I'm also thinking about that bar - it's double grooved for Ergopower levers, but without a second cable, the shape will be odd. Hmmmmmm......
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Current Status:
  • All the pieces but 2 have been obtained!!! The last two bits are the cable stops for the downtube shifter mounts. I wanted the Dura Ace ones with the adjusting lever. They should be here tomorrow!
  • New cable and housing kits arrived last night. I went for Jagwire Pro in gray. It's the same color as the old Dura Ace housing, but better quality.
  • The HP-7410 headset arrived! It's Shimano's first cartridge unit, I believe. I have been dawdling about getting headset tools.
  • I got the tool to remove the old BB-UN72 bottom bracket and install the BB-7410. It's also one of the first cartridge units. there's a bit of surface rust in the BB shell, but nothing that doesn't wipe out with a paper towel. I test-threaded both cups into the shell and 1) once properly engaged they went in easily but 2) I can see how a ham-handed amateur could cross thread them. Lesson learned!
Aw crap! I need to get some bar tape!
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Almost ready to build!!



The above is all ready to receive the below....


After a lot of pounding, the head tube is ready for the new headset.





And here it is!



The ONE THING that still needs to be removed is the fork crown race. I'm still waiting on that tool..
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Originally Posted by genejockey
The ONE THING that still needs to be removed is the fork crown race. I'm still waiting on that tool..
Just use a punch.
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Originally Posted by smd4
Just use a punch.
The Tange Seiki headset I'm taking off is in such great shape, I might keep it to reuse elsewhere. Or sell. Or give it to a bike coop. I don't want to damage it. And the tool should be here on Saturday.

I made a some rules for myself on this build -
  • Use 7410 Dura Ace for everything, except the seatpost (I need a zero setback for the LeMond)
  • Do ALL the work myself.
  • Use the right tools
  • Don't start rebuilding till all the old parts are off (so even though the BB shell is empty and the BB is sitting right there on the table, don't install it till the fork crown race is off, the frame has been washed and waxed, and all the parts and tools are in hand).
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Everything is now here, except the crown race removal tool. It was supposed to arrive today, according to the USPS. I've been watching the tracking, and after leaving Saint Louis, MO on Tuesday, and every day since, it's said, "Moving Through Network; In Transit to Next Facility"

I wasn't concerned. Any number of times, I've thought packages were stuck in transit, and then the morning they're delivered, the whole history appears, right before the package arrives on my doorstep. So I figured this morning, it would say "Out For Delivery", and maybe its whole voyage from Saint Louis MO to San Mateo CA would be there. I opened the link:"Departed USPS Regional Facility: SOUTHERN CT DISTRIBUTION CENTER"

CT. Connecticut. Connecticut?

So I opened up the whole history. Apparently yesterday evening, it passed through Albany NY. Late in the evening, it arrived in Springfield MA. Early this morning, it went to Connecticut. 3000 miles away. It traveled 1500 miles in the wrong direction.

Now it's "Moving Through Network: In Transit to Next Facility" again. Lord only knows where it will end up next, and when it will get here.

So now here I am, looking at the fork with the Tange Seiki crown race still on it, and I'm thinking, "Screwdriver? Or punch?"
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Amazon has most Park tools (I got my crown race tool from them) and living in SF you can probably get it in one day.
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