Phillips
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Is it better to restore or keep patina on a single speed Phillips with the lever brakes and the cupped head tube lugs
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Depends on what you mean by "better," but you can be certain that your effort and money spent refinishing most any bike will not be recovered if you sell.
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"in general" "Phillips Phillips" bicycles are of greater historical/collector interest than are the "Raleigh Phillips" examples
the integral headset and other details here show this to be a Phillips Phillips example
paint finish far enough gone that one might well consider a respray
keep in mind that if you go the respray route fittings will appear to be rougher by contrast than they do at present
one intermediate step you might wish to consider is a gentle removal of the black paint to see if there are any transfers yet in place between it and the red finish
@SirMike1983 @clubman
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"in general" "Phillips Phillips" bicycles are of greater historical/collector interest than are the "Raleigh Phillips" examples
the integral headset and other details here show this to be a Phillips Phillips example
paint finish far enough gone that one might well consider a respray
keep in mind that if you go the respray route fittings will appear to be rougher by contrast than they do at present
one intermediate step you might wish to consider is a gentle removal of the black paint to see if there are any transfers yet in place between it and the red finish
@SirMike1983 @clubman
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Hmmm. I'd start with the parts. Clean and polish if possible, and then decide how they might look on the frame if it were just cleaned or if it were repainted in some way.
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Just personal taste but clean or polished parts on a patina frame looks better than a nice paint job with patina parts. Since this bike has non original paint , probably do both paint and plating if the budget allows . The value ….not sure if it would reflect the money it takes to do this bike.
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It looks like a 1940s era Birmingham Phillips roadster. Phillips made solid, utilitarian bikes in those days. Most were not luxurious, but they were well-built.
Based on the photos, the bike has a dented top tube in front of the seat lug and a bent front fork. The bike is not valuable enough to warrant a full restoration of re-painting and re-plating.
I would work through it one problem at a time, starting with the mechanical issues and then the cosmetic. The front fork will have to be straightened. If it is a simple backward bend, even a simple tool like a bumper or bottle jack could be adapted to the purpose. If the fork is bent sideways or in three dimensions, a professional fork straightener might be needed.
The dented top tube does not look too terrible. I'd be inclined to cosmetically fix with epoxy and then sand to match the shape and profile. If the bike had thin wall tubing, I'd be more concerned, but these frames are generally over-built in terms of strength.
Then you can address the paint and plating. With the paint, I'd be inclined to try to carefully strip or sand back to original paint and see what kind of condition you have. I'd clean up the plating with your choice of bronze wool and WD40, or oxalic acid bath.
They're interesting bikes and a little different from the Raleighs.
Based on the photos, the bike has a dented top tube in front of the seat lug and a bent front fork. The bike is not valuable enough to warrant a full restoration of re-painting and re-plating.
I would work through it one problem at a time, starting with the mechanical issues and then the cosmetic. The front fork will have to be straightened. If it is a simple backward bend, even a simple tool like a bumper or bottle jack could be adapted to the purpose. If the fork is bent sideways or in three dimensions, a professional fork straightener might be needed.
The dented top tube does not look too terrible. I'd be inclined to cosmetically fix with epoxy and then sand to match the shape and profile. If the bike had thin wall tubing, I'd be more concerned, but these frames are generally over-built in terms of strength.
Then you can address the paint and plating. With the paint, I'd be inclined to try to carefully strip or sand back to original paint and see what kind of condition you have. I'd clean up the plating with your choice of bronze wool and WD40, or oxalic acid bath.
They're interesting bikes and a little different from the Raleighs.
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I took the bike SirMike pictured above for a ride this AM. Really a fun bike to ride, and a blast from the past. I got it from Mike a couple of years back.
Before you dig into a project like this take good look at the photos a figure out what’s missing and where you can get the parts from. I am pretty sure that SirMike put a lot more into the bike than I paid for it. New rims, tires, tubes, saddle, brake pads at least plus the effort to build new wheels, and restore the original finish.


Before you dig into a project like this take good look at the photos a figure out what’s missing and where you can get the parts from. I am pretty sure that SirMike put a lot more into the bike than I paid for it. New rims, tires, tubes, saddle, brake pads at least plus the effort to build new wheels, and restore the original finish.


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I took the bike SirMike pictured above for a ride this AM. Really a fun bike to ride, and a blast from the past. I got it from Mike a couple of years back.
Before you dig into a project like this take good look at the photos a figure out what’s missing and where you can get the parts from. I am pretty sure that SirMike put a lot more into the bike than I paid for it. New rims, tires, tubes, saddle, brake pads at least plus the effort to build new wheels, and restore the original finish.


Before you dig into a project like this take good look at the photos a figure out what’s missing and where you can get the parts from. I am pretty sure that SirMike put a lot more into the bike than I paid for it. New rims, tires, tubes, saddle, brake pads at least plus the effort to build new wheels, and restore the original finish.


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