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My two cents: French, of a smaller manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by LucasHartong
(Post 23383289)
My two cents: French, of a smaller manufacturer.
the dimensions posted by capnjonny in this message would seem to rule out a french origin for the frame 21 he gives a saddle pillar size of 27.0mm and a seat tube diameter of "29.0mm" - so presumably 28.6mm ----- |
68mm or 70mm (Italian) BB shell width?
35mm (French or Swiss), 1.375", or 36mm (Italian) BB cup diameter? |
Originally Posted by juvela
(Post 23379218)
Campification
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...53578b8f5c.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...767a1075e3.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8e3a1f8855.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...373049ef53.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fb5b7e259e.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9ec7827498.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43b2d3a315.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...53bb4e0a5b.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fba161d698.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f342683e6f.jpg Still not ready to commit to A Mfg. or year on the second mystery (Iitalian?) frame. I was given contact info for the original owner who lives in Santa Cruz Ca but have not been able to pick his brains yet for details. PX10 In the mean time I have removed all the original paint and mounted all the appropriate French hardware I have on the px 10. Surprisingly I have a good front wheel (nisi rim with dimples, Normandy hub) a rear wheel of a different origin with another Normandy hub. other bits: Hurret rear der, ( i have 2 nice plastic simplex's but they both have hangers attached Simplex pushrod front Stronglight cranks on Sronglight spindle Mafac 'Racer' brakes and pads, Mafac levers w/ half hoods Simplex seat post ( lable came off ) Brooks pro saddle ( Have an Ideale in the shop which will prob go on.) Know who sells the appropriate decals? By the way, the p/o had a step cut in the original simplex dropout. so he could use the Campi der? I could use any number of suntour or shimano units but I like the Hurret. Hope I have it installed right. by the by the way, The rear wheel shown is a place holder until I can get someone to lace the Normandy rear hub i have to another rim. The freewheel shown is way to big for the hurret derailleur I have, which will take a 28 tooth rear cog. |
that Italian could be any of a dozen marques, but the details I note are 27.0 seat post? On a 54 frame. I wonder who'd have used SP on a frame that size...and the headlugs look "milled" top and bottom. otherwise the piercings are not a good clue: generic to these lugs.
the staycaps might be a better clue, but also not that unique, just not so common... very strange that with so few braze-ons this has 2 pairs of WB bosses, those have to have been later additions Based on nothing but the shape of the (missing) headtube decal I'll guess |
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transfers for the leone rampante - https://bicycledecals.net/collection...igin=serp_auto quality ----- |
I’m still waiting for the p/o to contact me about i.d.ing the mystery frame. In the mean time I am painting the PX 10 and starting up again on an old Raleigh Super Course that had been waiting on repairs to the drop outs.
After weighing the Raleigh fork I thought it would be instructive to compare it to some others I have at my shop. The picture shows from top to bottom The Raleigh, a couple modern steel forks, the mystery bike fork, and at the bottom a carbon fork.The Peugeot fork is still wet but I did manage to weigh it. As can be seen in the photos, the super course was heaviest at 1.83lbs. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...96336f74dd.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3f37e53164.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8697331364.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...39de1d337f.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e277226860.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...abacd68469.jpg followed by the pantograph fork at 171,the px 10(not shown)at 1.60, the straight blade at 153 , the mystery fork at 1.43 and the carbon at 1.10 lbs. The mystery fork is pretty light. The bare frame is 4.0 lbs. With all the other cues I am pretty confident saying this is a high end Italian frame / fork from the 1970’s |
My completely random guesses for the mystery Italian frame?
Gaia or Bonvicini! How's that? Haha. |
the fork with 1.71 weight is a Casati...do I get any points for that? ;)
I still have nothing for the mystery red frameset but surprised its fork is so much lighter than a Casati fork, must be the differing weight of the crowns cause i doubt there'd be any different blades used. When will the beans be spilled? |
Better add "lbs." after the numbers on the forks to forestall future "What do these numbers on my fork mean?" down-the-rabbit-hole threads.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
(Post 23387328)
the fork with 1.71 weight is a Casati...do I get any points for that? ;)
I still have nothing for the mystery red frameset but surprised its fork is so much lighter than a Casati fork, must be the differing weight of the crowns cause i doubt there'd be any different blades used. When will the beans be spilled? |
Px
I agree
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The strait blade fork thread less is the same as what I have on a 1999 Rodriguez Arrrow. I do not know the manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Mr. 66
(Post 23388508)
The strait blade fork thread less is the same as what I have on a 1999 Rodriguez Arrrow. I do not know the manufacturer.
are the blades round or oval (in top X-section) |
Orange mystery bike: Galmozzi
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I am going to reveal what this bike is "purported" to be by the previous owner.
I have tried twice to get in touch with the original purchaser, Billy Menchine, who apparently has a business in Santa Cruz Ca. If anyone here knows him or of him please tell him I REALLY want to talk to him about the bike. Here is what the donater told me : The 'bike' I donated is a late 1970s Guerciotti. Italian, company started by a pair of brothers trained in the Chinelli workshop. I do not know the model. It was repainted red at some point. A small very tight racing frame. With extremely beautiful simple lugwork tapered into the frame tubes. Simple but the nicest I have ever seen. This is an old bike, modern times have moved on. https://www.guerciotti.it/en/ My problem is that the bike I have does not have any of the unique features found on most Guerciotti frames. like the pantographing on the seat stays , the star shaped cutout on the lugs or the star cutout on the bottom brackets. There is no serial number anywhere I can find it , only the number 54 stamped in the bb. I have been scouring the internet looking at any 1970's guerciotti I can find and at least one did not have the star shapped cutouts or pantographing on the seat stays . that one had 2 cutouts on the bottom bracket vs my one. knowing this is anyone knowledgeable enough with this mfg. to say I have a guerciotti? Obviously I want it to be so but I don't want to decal it as one if I'm not sure. Here are some pictures of two I found w/o the stars and pantographing. https://buycycle.com/en-us/short/def...4fb98272-81250 and another https://www.ebay.com/itm/267045972560 |
Huh! Did not expect that would be the marque! Possibly but not that familiar with who was building Guercs in the early days to confirm or dispute.
I will dispute that the example linked that purports to be a "1969" build...nope, don't think so! The Losa (yes, it clearly is) example is most likely "early '70s" as the seller claimed. would love to hear from somebody who owns a legit "late 1970s" frame to chime in with a comparison |
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