Hole In The Head -Epilogue
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Hole In The Head -Epilogue
I built up a LeMond Zurich frame last Summer, using a 7410 Dura Ace groupset I had that was just sitting in a box, unused. It took me a while to get it right - mostly the saddle fore-aft, because somehow, the saddle rails were creeping in the seatpost cradle and I'd end up farther and farther back the longer I rode. I finally have that problem licked!
Normally, when I finish a build to my satisfaction, I take the bike for one of my Sunday rides - 59 miles, 3300 feet of climbing. I hadn't done this with the LeMond yet, because of the slipping saddle rails issue, plus illnesses, injuries, etc. I figured with the saddle problem solved it was time. Whenever I do these "initiation into the herd" rides, I stop at Frenchman's Tower on Old Page Mill in Palo Alto for a picture. See below...


The whole "initiation ride" thing reminded me of this Far Side cartoon -

So, how was it? Well, I built it to exemplify bikes of the mid 90s, and it does that, right down to every hill >4% being a low-cadence slog! Apart from that, the 30 year old Dura Ace kit still works a treat, and is beautiful to boot. Another rider actually complimented me on the crankset!
Normally, when I finish a build to my satisfaction, I take the bike for one of my Sunday rides - 59 miles, 3300 feet of climbing. I hadn't done this with the LeMond yet, because of the slipping saddle rails issue, plus illnesses, injuries, etc. I figured with the saddle problem solved it was time. Whenever I do these "initiation into the herd" rides, I stop at Frenchman's Tower on Old Page Mill in Palo Alto for a picture. See below...


The whole "initiation ride" thing reminded me of this Far Side cartoon -

So, how was it? Well, I built it to exemplify bikes of the mid 90s, and it does that, right down to every hill >4% being a low-cadence slog! Apart from that, the 30 year old Dura Ace kit still works a treat, and is beautiful to boot. Another rider actually complimented me on the crankset!
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You know, they did have triples and long-cage rear derailleurs in the 1990s. Just sayin' . . . . 
Beautiful bike. I don't doubt that it's a lot of fun to ride.

Beautiful bike. I don't doubt that it's a lot of fun to ride.
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But 7410 Dura Ace didn't come with triples, so......
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Last edited by genejockey; 01-12-25 at 07:34 PM.
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Tripleizer would take care of that nicely, plus a 5mm wider BB and maybe a hanger extender for the RD to use cogs larger than 30t.
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I really don't like the looks of the 7400 Crankset. The 7410 is vastly superior to my eye, maybe my favorite DA Crankset.
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That’s a great looking build! Yeah that crankset is pretty, I put the same one on my Paramount.
Tim

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Yes, the 7200 Dura Ace EX with the off center spider. A dream build in my head has the black first gen Dura Ace crank drilled for a triple (maybe on a nice early AD Vent Noir).
I really don't like the looks of the 7400 Crankset. The 7410 is vastly superior to my eye, maybe my favorite DA Crankset.
I really don't like the looks of the 7400 Crankset. The 7410 is vastly superior to my eye, maybe my favorite DA Crankset.
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https://www.redclovercomponents.com/...riplizers.html
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... or do what I have done on four occasions: use extra-long chainring bolts. This won't give you as small a granny ring as a tripleizer would, but it can work extremely well when coupled with larger cogs in back.
On 144mm BCD cranks, I have done 49-46-43 / 13-16-19-23-26, for a very nice 1/3-step progression.
On 110mm BCD cranks, I was very happy with my 48-45-34 / 13-15-17-19-21-24.
All of these were done with standard short-cage derailleurs, but could easily be extended to 7 or 8 speeds with additional larger cogs in back and a long-cage. I am strongly considering this for the Carlton.
On 144mm BCD cranks, I have done 49-46-43 / 13-16-19-23-26, for a very nice 1/3-step progression.
On 110mm BCD cranks, I was very happy with my 48-45-34 / 13-15-17-19-21-24.
All of these were done with standard short-cage derailleurs, but could easily be extended to 7 or 8 speeds with additional larger cogs in back and a long-cage. I am strongly considering this for the Carlton.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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Thanks for the ideas, guys, but the whole point of this bike is to be what it is. I wanted those specific components, just as they are. I have other bikes for climbing.
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