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Hi all,
I currently have two steel bikes I ride regularly and am tempting on getting a new one and looking on trying other frame material.
Carbon or Titanium?
Any opinions are welcome from you experience with different frames after sticking with steel for long.
I currently have two steel bikes I ride regularly and am tempting on getting a new one and looking on trying other frame material.
Carbon or Titanium?
Any opinions are welcome from you experience with different frames after sticking with steel for long.
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A while back I made a comment to a cycling friend of mine that while Titanium cost a lot, it is a "forever" frame. I found out more recently, that nothing is forever (except a Schwinn Varsity) in the bicycle world. In order to be light enough to be enjoyable to ride, the matrial is pared down to a point were it many not last forever depending upon how it's ridden. Anywayz, you looking for an opnion between two materials on a Classic and Vintage forum:
Titainium.
Titainium.
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Material (steel/carbon/whatever) is only one factor. How it is built and the design (geometry) used are equally important. So in theory, a steel builder can make a bike ride like an aluminum bike by choosing the gauges and diameters. When you hear someone talk about how steel rides, know that their knowledge is incomplete.
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Not sure if you are considering newer bikes, or not, but I have a pretty recent entry level Cannondale synapse with aluminum frame and it rides surprisingly well so long as you don’t go crazy with the tire pressure.
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If you're looking for something C&V, there are nice older Litespeed and Merlin frames out there from the 90s. They'll be pricier than most steel frames of the same vintage, but then they were pricier than steel when they were new. You can build them up with anything from "period correct" to a modern groupset, as long as it's mechanical and rim brake.
Litespeed will sell you the correct decals, so you can strip the frame with acetone (assuming it's unpainted), buff it up with red Scotchbrite pads, and install the new decals. That's what I did with a 1995 Litespeed Ultimate I bought on Ebay. I built it up with mid 1990s Dura Ace, but eventually I got tired of trying to push 39x25 up 6-8% gradients, so I rebuilt it with R8000 Ultegra.
Litespeed will sell you the correct decals, so you can strip the frame with acetone (assuming it's unpainted), buff it up with red Scotchbrite pads, and install the new decals. That's what I did with a 1995 Litespeed Ultimate I bought on Ebay. I built it up with mid 1990s Dura Ace, but eventually I got tired of trying to push 39x25 up 6-8% gradients, so I rebuilt it with R8000 Ultegra.
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I am currently thinking about this one in stainless steel.


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I don't do carbon or titanium. For me the cost of those materials weighed against the possibility of failure just isn't worth the price for the performance difference. I've seen plenty of titanium and carbon frames crack. Yea, steel and aluminum will crack too but I can throw away $200 easier than $2000.
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I believe that most frames are forever.....It's the rider that i would be worried about.
Ride On, Ben

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