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Rick_D 08-04-25 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 23578250)
This is my Grandmother's old camera. I got it when my Grandfather passed in 2001- and for a while (like a couple rolls of film) I used it, trying to get into photography. It really didn't click for me (so to speak).


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a4a591471.jpeg

This is the camera I wish more retro-inspired new photographers would select for their first foray into film. Bog simple with the most basic of controls, mechanical shutter and film wind that work if the meter battery is flat, sturdy. Vast array of affordable compatible lenses. What I do not know is how well the light seals hold up after fifty years. And I suppose at some point one needs to learn what "ASA" means.

Deal4Fuji 08-04-25 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Rick_D (Post 23578270)
This is the camera I wish more retro-inspired new photographers would select for their first foray into film. Bog simple with the most basic of controls, mechanical shutter and film wind that work if the meter battery is flat, sturdy. Vast array of affordable compatible lenses. What I do not know is how well the light seals hold up after fifty years. And I suppose at some point one needs to learn what "ASA" means.

The K-1000 was my 1st SLR in the early 80's and has been passed down to my youngest daughter who's interested in film photography. It came to her with a full bag of lenes and filters. I've heard the K-1000 compared to Schwinn Varsity's & roaches as will still be around after they drop the big one....virtually indestructible.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4026675683.jpg

ShannonM 08-04-25 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Rick_D (Post 23578270)
This is the camera I wish more retro-inspired new photographers would select for their first foray into film. Bog simple with the most basic of controls, mechanical shutter and film wind that work if the meter battery is flat, sturdy. Vast array of affordable compatible lenses. What I do not know is how well the light seals hold up after fifty years. And I suppose at some point one needs to learn what "ASA" means.

I'll add the Minolta SRTs to that list, at least if my SRT Super (Japanese model... it was the SRT-102 in the States... probably a military bring-back) is typical of the line. Inexpensive, really well made, fully manual and mechanical, pointer-and-ring light meter, standard Japanese SLR ergonomics, and great, inexpensive lenses. (Minolta changed their lens mount when they went to auotofocus, and they've been out of the camera business for decades, so the resale market is weak.) I love mine.

--Shannon

Deal4Fuji 08-04-25 11:47 AM

My 1st camera at age 10 was the Kodak 110 camera. My family had a precursor of the 110 pocket camera in this Minolta 16 - P

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb4261c4c1.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0eee16068d.jpg

Others around somewhere are several early Polaroid instant camers and this United States Camera Corp. Reflex II.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...df7c8f6212.jpg

CV-6 08-04-25 04:35 PM

Not in a position to take photos, so will share what I have.

Oldest is a Kodak Retina I Type 141. First model Retina that had the shutter release on the top plate. This camera may have accompanied my father to Europe while served as a Communications Sergeant with 171st Field Artillery Btn of the 45th Infantry Division. The serial is pre-1940, but I cannot confirm this is the camera he carried. I also have the rangefinder for this. And now you know why I have the Thunderbird as my avatar.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b0e49784ef.jpg

My father, somewhere in the ETO.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1d85c78daa.jpg


My first 35mm, which I still have, is a Leica IIIf dating ca1951. I have two 50mm Summitar f2 collapsible lens, one is metric. I got this at the behest of a co-worker, who was a photographer in the USAF when he served. I also have a Canon 135mm lens for it. The Leica and two Summitar lens are going out for CLA in the next few days.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0db6b56bab.jpg

Photo below is from Oshkosh 2004, a reenactor in a B-25. I remember looking at the pic later and thinking, "Jeez, he looks young". Then I remembered, they were young.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...61ce72dfb2.jpg


My first SLR was an Olympus OM-10, followed a few years later by an OM-4. I accumulated the following lens:

Zuiko 50mm f1.8
Zuiko 35-70mm f4
Sigma 26mm f2.8
Vivitar Series 1 28-90mm f2.8-3.5
Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm f3.5
Vivitar Series 1 100-500mm f5.6-8.0
Matched 2x multiplier for the long Vivitars

I was into airshow photography, hence the long lenses. Still am when the opportunity presents itself.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dfc96861df.jpg


Recently bought an OM-1n just to experience it.

So far no DSLR, but I do have an Olympus C2100UZ that I play with from time to time.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...71eb12e9db.jpg








ShannonM 08-05-25 12:04 AM

CV-6, that last shot of the race plane (with inverted gullwings like an F4U or a Stuka, natch!) is so cool.

Today's acquisitions crowd, if not pass, the line of "C&V camera" like a briftered Ti road bike, but they're from my mom, so I don't care... they qualify.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...226411c248.jpg

The Olympus LT-1 is basically Stylus/Mju guts in a sleeker, leatherette-wrapped body. 35mm/3.5 prime lens, 50-3200 ISO range, quartz date function. Based on features, I'm calling this a 1996.

The Minolta Maxxum 3xi is from 1991-1995, as near as I can find. This will be my first autofocus SLR. Right now, it's wearing a 28-80/4-5.6 kit zoom, and there's a 70-something coming for it in its own box. I want to get some faster primes for it, of course. I expect it to be a bit of a U/I nightmare, of course. But it's light, and if it works, it should be a good color-film SLR for bike rides where the LT-1 wouldn't be enough camera.

I've got batteries coming tomorrow, so each one will get a roll of Kodak Gold 200 and we'll see what we see.

Thanks, Mom!

--Shannon

Pompiere 08-05-25 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by Deal4Fuji (Post 23578331)
The K-1000 was my 1st SLR in the early 80's and has been passed down to my youngest daughter who's interested in film photography. It came to her with a full bag of lenes and filters. I've heard the K-1000 compared to Schwinn Varsity's & roaches as will still be around after they drop the big one....virtually indestructible.

I would argue that the Argus "Brick" was the photographic equivalent to the Varsity, and the K-1000 and Minolta SRT were more like the first Schwinn LeTour.

Deal4Fuji 08-05-25 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by Pompiere (Post 23578952)
I would argue that the Argus "Brick" was the photographic equivalent to the Varsity, and the K-1000 and Minolta SRT were more like the first Schwinn LeTour.

:thumb: I defer to your greater knowledge of C&V cameras - I had to look it up. A "search this thread" inquiry didn't show anything on it.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ada3bf9038.jpg



ShannonM 08-05-25 01:37 PM

That dial wheel on the shooter's front right of the camera looks like it might be a bit of a whack magnet, but I guess with that much metal, it doesn't matter much.

I'd like to get one just to get one... they seem neat, and are cheap, which makes them an ideal Shannoncam.

--Shannon

jamesdak 08-05-25 02:06 PM

Grabbed a couple of new snapshots of a few of the camera's I don't have boxed away. Funny thing is I also found a Contax Zeiss 135/2.8 lens and a Leica R 135/2.8 lens in the cabinet with this. Not sure why I had the lenses there and not with the other ones.

Anyway, a few detailed shots of the XD-7 taken with my crappy Nikon Coolpix S7000. I replaced the cover on the XD with that blue goatskin probably about 15 years or so ago. Batteries are still good in this one and man does it feel and sound so good. Like a seriously fine precision instrument.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cdb9f607d6.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c31db691d0.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...165f8660b8.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...810423b72a.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4561615003.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b4772daa2d.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1c245d37fd.jpg


jamesdak 08-05-25 02:11 PM

And some shots of one of my SRTs. this one a SRT-101b. I can't remember if I sold the other SRT's or if they are boxed away somewhere.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dfa1f829f8.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f802c706a2.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fb5c6a45a0.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...12909f3aed.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...34b06bf315.jpg

And the lovely little rangefinder, Hi-matic 7s II. I had a pair of these but I'm pretty sure I sold one about a decade ago. This used to be my pocket carry camera for many, many years.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2537bd63f0.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5c9f7527cb.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f36515e226.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c6ed00914d.jpg






ShannonM 08-05-25 02:25 PM

That goatskin wrap is wrad!

I took the LT-1 out for its inaugural ride-n-shoot this morning. I was going to view an apartment, (which I liked a lot and hope I get,) so I didn't use it until the ride back. This is looking to be a big win.

First, it's a neat little thing, which is fun. And fun is good of itself. Things that are fun to use get used more.

And it fits in my stem bag,and with full coverage if the pouch part is up:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...495371dd56.jpg
This is even more convenient than a handlebar bag, and much safer than tossing it into a basket.

The autofocus seems a bit slow to me, but, one, I don't know how it's supposed to be, and two, I'm betting that it will loosen up with use, probably in the 1st roll. Film-wise, I'm using Kodak Gold 200, for now... point-n-shoot film for a point-n-shoot camera, and cheap while I figure the thing out. Plus there's no way to set film speed manually, so a lot of interesting films won't work. (Non-DX films default to 100.)

--Shannon

Tl;dr: A nice point-&-shoot can be a cool thing to have on a bicycle.

Pompiere 08-05-25 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Deal4Fuji (Post 23578999)
:thumb: I defer to your greater knowledge of C&V cameras - I had to look it up. A "search this thread" inquiry didn't show anything on it.

I have a C3 that my father-in-law bought when he was in the Air Force in Korea, along with a couple others I picked up over the years. The Brick nickname is quite apt, given the size, shape, and damage inflicted if you are hit in the head by one. Much like Cambio Corsa shifters, you must think about each step when shooting an Argus C3 (and a lot of other cameras of the era). There was no meter until the later models, so you set aperture and shutter speed by using a handheld meter or best guess, cocked the shutter, look through one viewfinder to focus the rangefinder, look through the other viewfinder to frame the photo, then press the shutter button. Then you press a button on top to release the counter stop so you can wind to the next frame.

My daughter sometimes borrows an old camera to use as a prop in her community theater. I try to make sure they are at least from the same era as the play is set in. I put this together for a reporter in a scene where they wanted to fire the flash. They ended up using a different camera and flashing the stage lights instead. I have a bunch of old flash bulbs that really pack a punch, so I was disappointed, but they didn't want to be juggling the hot bulbs on stage after every shot.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d8819268af.jpg
Argus C3 "The Brick"

In the category of " A face Only A Mother Could Love" is the Kodak 35 RF. The first version didn't have a rangefinder, so it looks like it was added as an afterthought. The procedure to take a photo is similar to the Argus.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...002ce01c53.jpg
Kodak 35 RF

This Honeywell Pentax SP II was my introduction to screw on lenses.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d35e71c4ce.jpg
Pentax Spotmatic II with Potato Masher flash

In the camera version of Show Me Your Department Store Bikes we have the Kmart Focal TLR, even though it only has one lens. I have no idea why they didn't call it the SLR. It was made by Petri. The shutter button on the front is actually very easy to get used to. Kmart used to have a whole photo department with a line of cameras from basic point & shoots to 35 mm SLRs with auxiliary lenses and accessories.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dc33438888.jpg
Focal TLR

Reynolds 08-05-25 06:06 PM

Praktica SLR cameras also had the shutter button at the front like that Focal TLR.

PhilFo 08-05-25 07:51 PM

For those of us who like cheap and quirky:
https://junkstorecameras.com/
No relation to the site owner, but I have been following since probably about 2004.
Phil

elcraft 08-05-25 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by shdwfx (Post 23577775)
My first manual camera which I still have is a Nikon FE2. This camera has a shutter speed of 1/4000 and has been incredibly reliable and inspired me to take a photography class to learn how to actually do darkroom developing, enlargements, etc. I never did do my own darkroom and have since moved to digital on a Nikon D610, but the lenses I had for the FE2 continue to work on the D610 (just have to manually focus).
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4977cc3fd.jpeg

@
The Nikon FE was:my first serious camera. I wanted to buy a Pentax because the lenses and accessories were a little cheaper; especially in the used market. But the FE sat in my hands so that all the controls were exactly where they needed to be. Every one of them, including the depth of field preview, the timer/ exposure memory lock, etc. were easily accessible. It was as if the camera had been designed especially for my hand shape, finger length, etc. I wanted to like the Pentax better, but the decision had been all but made for me.
The automated exposure and self timer were so impervious to vibration or shake from the camera that I was able to take unbelievable flash free shots in difficult conditions. I recall zone focusing the camera on the Rose window in Notre Dame Cathedral, in Paris. I used the camera’s case as a cradle and set the camera on one of the chairs in the Cathedral. I set the timer to fire off the shot and prayed the image would be clear. In those days, both Flash and Tripods were were prohibited from use in the Cathedral. This encouraged the purchase of images from souvenir sources. The images I made ( on E-6 slide film) were so good, I was able to sell copies to the local universities’ Art History departments.
The Camera had been dropped ( prior to the trip to Paris) about six feet onto a vinyl tiled floor. The mirror popped off the pivot on one side, but caused no other damage; easily repaired by a camera repair facility. These cameras were built like tanks despite their relatively compact size. I carried three lenses, a 28 mm wide angle, a 50mm standard lens and an 35mm to 80mm short zoom ( most of the time!). Still have a soft spot in my heart for center weighted, aperature preferred automated exposure SLRS.

Doc Sharptail 08-06-25 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by elcraft (Post 23579556)
@
The Nikon FE was:my first serious camera. I wanted to buy a Pentax because the lenses and accessories were a little cheaper; especially in the used market. But the FE sat in my hands so that all the controls were exactly where they needed to be. Every one of them, including the depth of field preview, the timer/ exposure memory lock, etc. were easily accessible. It was as if the camera had been designed especially for my hand shape, finger length, etc. I wanted to like the Pentax better, but the decision had been all but made for me.
The automated exposure and self timer were so impervious to vibration or shake from the camera that I was able to take unbelievable flash free shots in difficult conditions. I recall zone focusing the camera on the Rose window in Notre Dame Cathedral, in Paris. I used the camera’s case as a cradle and set the camera on one of the chairs in the Cathedral. I set the timer to fire off the shot and prayed the image would be clear. In those days, both Flash and Tripods were were prohibited from use in the Cathedral. This encouraged the purchase of images from souvenir sources. The images I made ( on E-6 slide film) were so good, I was able to sell copies to the local universities’ Art History departments.
The Camera had been dropped ( prior to the trip to Paris) about six feet onto a vinyl tiled floor. The mirror popped off the pivot on one side, but caused no other damage; easily repaired by a camera repair facility. These cameras were built like tanks despite their relatively compact size. I carried three lenses, a 28 mm wide angle, a 50mm standard lens and an 35mm to 80mm short zoom ( most of the time!). Still have a soft spot in my heart for center weighted, aperature preferred automated exposure SLRS.

I've had a couple of the FE-2's, and was far less than impressed. Both had shutter resistor issues, which the earlier FE didn't. I'm pretty sure the problem was related to flash voltages- the older FE could with-stand high voltages, while the FE-2 couldn't. The FE was my main camera for a lot of years. I still prefer the big viewfinder of the truly pro original F2 over any other nikon camera, including the F3-HP.

-D.S.

Pompiere 08-06-25 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by PhilFo (Post 23579524)
For those of us who like cheap and quirky:
https://junkstorecameras.com/
No relation to the site owner, but I have been following since probably about 2004.
Phil

I used to visit her site quite often as well, because I had the same affliction. The reviews were well organized and fun to read. Now, all I get is the home page. When I click the links, it just goes to a page with headers but no reviews.

PhilFo 08-06-25 05:20 AM

I hadn't visited the site in a while and just checked for reviews. Same thing happens to me. There's a lot of good information on that site. I hope it's archived.
Dr. Nakamura has some excellent information with some reviews here: https://photoethnography.com/equipment.html

Phil

jamesdak 08-08-25 11:26 AM

Well this thread as well as being off the bikes has my photography juices flowing again. Dug out my old Minolta Dimage Dual Scan IV which has been boxed up for at least a decade. Surprisingly was able to get it up and running on my Windows 10 laptop using a trail version of Vuescan. It's being a bit balky about loading the slide holder. But if I can get that cleared up maybe I can finally start archiving my 20+ year's archive of slides. It will take forever as there are literally 1000's of keeper slide, LOL!

I also found more old film camera's in storage than I remember having kept. Even found a newer Nikon lens from the short period I was running a 800/5.6 Nikon as my main wildlife lens. Had bought the newer 70-300 just to cover the rest of the range while mainly shooting the 800.

I'm about to upgrade my laptop so I'll wait until then to decide if I stick to the old Dual Scan or look at newer options. A couple of test scans, the trail software puts on that stupid watermark but it gives me a chance to evaluate the quality and workflow. It's been forever since I've messed with any of my slides.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1f87666bde.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...459befcea0.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a0c05fc287.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1b908b6dbb.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...da4bb2bd50.jpg

I even found another old Minolta Rangefinder down in storage I had thought was sold years ago.

ShannonM 08-11-25 01:08 PM

The "acquire cool stuff" bug bite started to itch, so I scratched it:

From two used bookstores here in Berkeley, Moe's and Half Price Books, the Ansel Adams Photography Series:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f890b53954.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c0669a8c70.jpg

And, from the List of Craigs, a Minolta Maxxum 7000 with a 28/2.8, 50/1.4, and the ubiquitous 70-210 f/4 + macro zoomer. (Also with a bunch of random electronic junk that I had to throw out. A Toshiba laptop battery, USB A - Mini USB printer cable, a couple of old cell phone chargers, etc)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fee796cbad.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7934fecd9d.jpg
I didn't need, or even particularly want, another autofocus SLR. I bought the this for the lenses, to go on my Maxxum 3i. (A lower-end, much simpler, but newer and a lot lighter camera body.) But there was a bonus, and the camera works! And since it takes AAA batteries, I should be able to keep it working. Not bad for 25 bucks!

I put the 28 on the 3i, attached the Outer Shell straps, tossed the 50 in my purse in the basket, and I'm heading out this afternoon for a loop down to Jack London Square, and then back via the SF Bay Trail and Ohlone Greenway. Should be lots of opportunities, even in the early afternoon. (The biggest obstacle to cyclo-photography is that the best riding times are rarely coincident with the best shooting times.)

In keeping with one of my inspirations for this thread, the camera and three lenses were about 10 dollars cheaper than the books.

--Shannon

Doc Sharptail 08-11-25 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by ShannonM (Post 23583391)
The "acquire cool stuff" bug bite started to itch, so I scratched it:

From two used bookstores here in Berkeley, Moe's and Half Price Books, the Ansel Adams Photography Series:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f890b53954.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c0669a8c70.jpg

I put the 28 on the 3i, attached the Outer Shell straps, tossed the 50 in my purse in the basket, and I'm heading out this afternoon for a loop down to Jack London Square, and then back via the SF Bay Trail and Ohlone Greenway. Should be lots of opportunities, even in the early afternoon. (The biggest obstacle to cyclo-photography is that the best riding times are rarely coincident with the best shooting times.)

In keeping with one of my inspirations for this thread, the camera and three lenses were about 10 dollars cheaper than the books.

--Shannon

Now you'll find out about the zone system. :D

As for cycling and shooting times, I keep chastising myself for not bringing the camera on some rides. (and I don't have that much of an eye)

-D.S.

Pompiere 08-12-25 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by ShannonM (Post 23583391)
And, from the List of Craigs, a Minolta Maxxum 7000 with a 28/2.8, 50/1.4, and the ubiquitous 70-210 f/4 + macro zoomer. (Also with a bunch of random electronic junk that I had to throw out. A Toshiba laptop battery, USB A - Mini USB printer cable, a couple of old cell phone chargers, etc)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7934fecd9d.jpg
I didn't need, or even particularly want, another autofocus SLR. I bought the this for the lenses, to go on my Maxxum 3i. (A lower-end, much simpler, but newer and a lot lighter camera body.) But there was a bonus, and the camera works! And since it takes AAA batteries, I should be able to keep it working. Not bad for 25 bucks!

I put the 28 on the 3i, attached the Outer Shell straps, tossed the 50 in my purse in the basket, and I'm heading out this afternoon for a loop down to Jack London Square, and then back via the SF Bay Trail and Ohlone Greenway. Should be lots of opportunities, even in the early afternoon. (The biggest obstacle to cyclo-photography is that the best riding times are rarely coincident with the best shooting times.)

In keeping with one of my inspirations for this thread, the camera and three lenses were about 10 dollars cheaper than the books.

--Shannon

That story sound a lot like how I got my "Beer Can" lens. I had already switched over to a Sony A58 to use the Maxxum lenses that I had, so I almost passed up the camera bag sitting in the Goodwill store jewelry case. My wife was still browsing, so I thought it couldn't hurt to look. Inside I found a Maxxum 7000, a 50mm f1.7, a 70-210 f4 "Beer Can", and a 28-70mm f2.8 "mini Beer Can", all for $29.99!

They made three different battery covers for the 7000 and 5000 cameras. One is for four AAA, one for four AA, and one for the 2CR5 lithium battery. I know I had covers for Lithium and AAA, but I can't remember if I had a AA cover. I sold a lot of the lenses but still have several bodies and accessories from all through the Maxxum range. I should really pass them on to someone who can use them.

jamesdak 08-12-25 10:42 AM

Well, still going nuts with the down town from bike riding. So I decided to pull the old camera's out and take some quick snaps of them all.

Starting out with the workhorse, my Mamiya 645.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea617d0828.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...92130b9a46.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8d74e7d67e.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...30d613f31c.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...28dc757c5f.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...15114bd687.jpg

jamesdak 08-12-25 10:43 AM

Another Rangefinder, the Minolta 7s:



https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05005dcd45.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...37374468ad.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2fea189b5.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25ae334a08.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b5976212ea.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af08ae5e77.jpg
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