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Senior Ryder 00 07-12-25 05:05 PM

Interesting Discovery
 
Hi folks,
While servicing and rebuilding a 1964 Holdsworth Typhoon discovered some interesting lacing on the rear wheel. The drive side is laced 4X and the non drive side is laced 3X. I vaguely remember this being done to equalize the tension of the DS & NDS spokes. Does anyone else know about this technique?
BTW, the hubs are Milremo laced to Rigida rims. I built this up several years ago as a single speed quasi path racer, but don’t remember the specific parts.
Thanks & regards,
Van

Doug Fattic 07-12-25 05:31 PM

Did you count the front and back spoke holes? England back then was known for doing 40 hole rears and 32 hole fronts. By crossing 4 on one wheel and 3 on the other, similar length spokes could be used on both wheels.

John E 07-12-25 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Ryder 00 (Post 23561743)
Hi folks,
While servicing and rebuilding a 1964 Holdsworth Typhoon discovered some interesting lacing on the rear wheel. The drive side is laced 4X and the non drive side is laced 3X. I vaguely remember this being done to equalize the tension of the DS & NDS spokes. Does anyone else know about this technique?
BTW, the hubs are Milremo laced to Rigida rims. I built this up several years ago as a single speed quasi path racer, but don’t remember the specific parts.
Thanks & regards,
Van

I wonder what the respective spoke lengths are. Per Doug's post, do both sides now take the same spoke length? On an extremely dished wheel, the drive side normally takes shorter spokes. The other argument is that 4X puts the spokes closer to tangency to the hub flange, for best strength and torque transmission.

Senior Ryder 00 07-12-25 08:39 PM

Doug Fattic , John E
Thanks for the feedback.​​​​​​
Both hubs are 36 hole high flange. They look like the Normandy ones from that era. I didn’t take any spokes out and measure them, but checking as best I could with a ruler, indicates that the fronts are 291/292mm. The drive side rears are 300/301mm and the non drive side are 292/293mm. Hope this helps.
Thanks & regards,
Van

Aardwolf 07-13-25 01:54 PM

I recently built some wheels for my 1953 Whirlwind.

Campy Nuovo Tipo large flange 95/120mm, ultra-6 on the back.
Mavic Monthlery Route 700c 36 hole 3x.
Front spokes 293mm
Rear spokes 292/293mm


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