Perhaps because this is not really an issue.

Well, it is an issue. And press releases were given out by the various European postal services. But since we have even bigger issues in Europe (like Russia's expansion plans) they didn't get much media coverage. So I understand the sellers' current ignorance. They are going to find out, though, albeit the hard way.

it's maybe not an issue if the selling price is below the tariff threshold, but higher priced items are at risk for either delayed shipment or arrival with the buyer or added fees for these stupid tariffs. add in that there is no established mechanism for who pays and how it's collected and tabulated.

Call it turmoil. I have keenly been reading about this, at the minimum, there will be disruption and possible loss of goods and or money.

Roulette.

the turmoil could be in the USA and or the shipped from country. The expectation that there is nothing to be concerned about is true if you do not buy anything from overseas, or the entity you buy from domestically imported goods in small batches.

Is not that threshold now zero?

It gets tiresome when the pronouncements of the sky is falling is constant yet in actuality nothing has changed or has things have gotten better. Quoting Monty Python “Always look on the bright side of life”.

It seems the EU did this in 2021. But had also had a much lower limit of 22 Euros instead of the US's $800.

The US is always behind Europe in it's progressive tax policies. So how did Europe survive it's tariff increases? They apparently were able to develop a system to collect their money.

AI OverviewIn the EU, import VAT is a tax on goods brought into the European Union from a non-EU country
. It is paid when the goods clear customs and is generally set at the standard VAT rate of the destination country, ensuring fair competition between imported and locally produced products.

Key changes as of July 1, 2021
Recent EU reforms to e-commerce VAT have significantly impacted imports, especially for online sellers.

• End of low-value exemption: The previous VAT exemption for goods under €22 was eliminated. This means VAT is now charged on all commercial goods entering the EU, regardless of their value.
• Introduction of the Import One Stop Shop (IOSS): The IOSS is an electronic portal for online sellers. By registering for IOSS, a seller can collect, declare, and pay VAT to the relevant EU authorities for all eligible cross-border sales, simplifying the process.

All of the hand wringing may be a bit premature. The current situation, or the one that will be in place after Friday’s deadline will no doubt not be the final situation. We are in the middle of negotiations. It would be best to hold off on purchases at the moment until the situation is resolved. If we are still fretting about this in October, I would be surprised.

Exactly. As anyone who tries to do business in China knows the big boys can make deals that nobody else can

I shipped a piece of rare alum tanned leather to a friend of mine in Greece around 2018. The shipping for the large box was about $200 to start and then when it arrived with the declared value for about $500 for insurance purposes, the Greek postal service held it until my friend could pay nearly 300 EU for the customs fee! That was despite the item being clearly marked as a gift on the declaration form, which it was. My friend only reimbursed me for the shipping expense.

Customs fees for goods incoming to European countries has been standard for quite some time. In my experience purchasing items from the UK, France, Germany, Greece, and Ukraine over the past twenty years I have never once been charged a penny for customs nor has anyone at the post office even glanced at the declaration before handing an item over, if it wasn't simply left in my mailbox like everything else.

Oh, the times, they are a'changing, but that's life.

-Gregory

No, you are not a Republican - those folks believe in free trade, less govt intervention in business, etc. Essentially the One World Economy.

What may(?) benefit the manufacturing industry in the long run, has had immediate detrimental effect on other aspects of the economy. The willy-nilly on again/off again manner of implementation has been asinine, instilling nothing but chaos for planning & forecasting.

I should be glad you don't have to be concerned about rising prices for goods - not everyone is so lucky. I do not see American suppliers discounting goods to American consumers because their export markets are down due to reciprocal tariff imposition. Your president told the people his economic policy would reduce prices for Americans. HaHa - the joke is on the USA consumers, gifted from the 49.9% who got buffooned by a felon. Big surprise!

By Report, correct.
shipments caught in the flux of no tariffs expected and now there are will be a mess. No expectation many are or were really ready for the reckoning.

the cost of "paperwork" is going to be.

like small shipments from China, via Temu and other stores, aliexpress, etc. might just vanish.

I ordered some decals from H. Lloyd (ebay purchase) on August 17. They were shipped untracked.

No sign of them yet. I wonder if they'll slip through.

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Not my words.
Just rising prices.
Time will tell if a bankrupt (multiple times) real estate developer can manage the largest economy in the World. .....Because 'only I can fix it' mentality is such good leadership, when the crowd is social media. Not so easy in the real world.

If this thread gets to 60 posts without being shutdown I’ll be shocked

The benefit of being thin.
stay tuned

I joined this thread because I am expecting to receive a package soon from the UK - value just over $100, and the product manufactured somewhere in SE Asia.

UK is not Europe, but I was hoping some clarity might be forthcoming. Not late yet, but almost. Confusion seems to be rampant.

I have a company that provides parts for my business, in England that sells items made in China and a few other small Countries in the east. The current rates are Roughly 40% to sometimes 60% on those items and the 800 dollar limits before tariffs kick in have now been dropped. So my take is the tariffs is that 60% is now the norm for upcharges to me, and that will pass through to my customers. Welcome to 2025. Smiles, MH

Correct, I am not.

I believe in free trade in principle. The Republicans (and particularly their C-suite donor classes) believe in exploitation labor practices masquerading as free trade, which is why they signed on to NAFTA. Democrats are no different, they just hide it better.

Quite a few of the old dinosaurs signed on to the Kyoto protocol and the Paris treaty (pure unadulterated government tampering), because they Care (tm). Just not about actual science.

That would be the classical liberal ideal, but unfortunately other nations are far more exploitative about labor practices, paying out a fraction of what US workers make - or nothing at all in the PRC. Even with illegal alien workers filling employment rosters under the table, USA can't match the low labor costs. Hence the giant sucking sound.

Globalism only works for the wealthy, everyone else gets it in the shorts.

Since I work in manufacturing I can tell you that we plan for worst case scenarios. There's no choice in the matter. We list the cost of the tariffs on every purchase order, just so every customer knows.

I have to be more concerned about it than most people in this forum. We do business internationally. This has been in the works for a long time.

The lack of discounts was expected. Prices have gone up substantially in the past four years, mainly due to uncontrolled inflation (which was due to uncontrolled government spending).

Well, you may hate it but he's your president as well, since you live in the USA. The price of energy has fallen dramatically. Groceries are at least not continuing to skyrocket the way that they were.

Weren't those the same voters that cast ballots for Joe Biden in 2020?

We get the politicians we f-ing deserve.

just checked a listing for a seller in hungary that i have a chainring in transit (hopefully) from.. there is now an added fee for a duty tax.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/146710503492 . so shipping plus this new fee.

My company ordered $210 million in parts from Germany this year. Well technically the contract was placed around 2 years ago. We'll see what happens, as the equipment is scheduled to get shipped this fall. The company in Germany will pass any increases to us and we'll pass any on to the end customers.

That's life. We pass all taxes of any type on to customers, just like every business. Taxes are an expense that needs to be paid out of gross profits. Businesses don't stay in business unless profits are greater than expenses.

Businesses don't "absorb" large increases in expenses and stay in business long term.

Some of us see it vastly differently. A traitor president over-stepping his executive office.
The Commerce Power of Congress Legally Granted by the Constitution Under Section 8 of Article I of the Constitution, Congress has the power to regulate commerce among the states, in addition to commerce involving foreign nations and Native American tribes.

We see a sad, troubled, racist, traitor who only looks out for himself. But worse is the 49.9% of sad humans who voted for him - really speaks to american values of white supremacy and lack of decent human ethics. Exceptionalism in this country is dead.

The man who worships gold toilets = the hero of the masses. :o :lol: A sick culture living with false facts.
Exploitation of other countries by american businesses backed by the force of the american military is well documented.
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and don't forget his illegal manipulation of elections.
Traitor Drumpft to Georgia = find me 11,780 votes
Traitor Drumpft to Texas = Republicans entitled to 5 more seats

or his penchant for authoritarians, or his biggliest lies.
Traitor Drumpft to blue cities = armed take-over using lies as justification
Traitor Drumpft worshipping the control of Putin, Xi, Kim
Traitor Drumpt to FBI, DOJ = what documents at Margo-a-Lardo?
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True patriotism is not waving a flag, wearing a red hat of racism (MAGA), neutering public education, promoting one religious group over others, vilely attacking anyone who disagrees - the list is endless.
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Getting just a wee bit political, aren't we?