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Robvolz 09-21-25 06:46 PM

Two Questions
 
#1, Does this integrated water bottle, cage, and clips supposed to have some kind of top?

#2, I don’t recognize the logo. Any idea who made this?

it’s aluminum. Found at a C&V members bike parts garage sale today.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0fb66f226.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3cffa0bf2.jpeg

Robvolz 09-21-25 06:48 PM

Well shoot. I asked the mods to move to the reg. c&v

im not drunk I swear

cb400bill 09-21-25 07:34 PM

Moved

bulgie 09-21-25 07:55 PM

The logo is Artisan Tool & Die
I don't remember whether they had a plastic clip on the top like a TA, Reg and most everyone else.

steelbikeguy 09-21-25 10:15 PM

My exposure to ATD was their tools... specifically a cone wrench and a headset and lockring wrench...

https://www.flickr.com/photo_downloa...ret=bc4d98966d


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...57df405c95.jpg

Steve in Peoria

P!N20 09-21-25 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by Robvolz (Post 23611774)
im not drunk I swear

Why not? I swear when I'm drunk.

JohnDThompson 09-22-25 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Robvolz (Post 23611770)
#1, Does this integrated water bottle, cage, and clips supposed to have some kind of top?

#2, I don’t recognize the logo. Any idea who made this?

it’s aluminum. Found at a C&V members bike parts garage sale today.

The logo is "Artisan Tool & Die." The ATD catalog doesn't show any additional piece for the top of the cage.

Thalia949 09-22-25 09:38 AM

Robvolz Better question is - how was the Mayacamas? - Great wine from a not so great vintage. Did it develop well in the bottle?

Robvolz 09-22-25 11:20 AM

There are certain years that at the time were considered "duds." 1996 and 1998 are really hard to find now because the critics gave those vintages lower scores, so people felt free to drink them instead of cellaring them.

They were cooler years.

That means higher acid and less sugars. But, that acid works as a preservative. The wine had great color with little bricking. The fruits were more red, dark cherry, pomegranate, some plum skin. Tannins had softened and went great with a simple dinner of lentils, roasted veggies with an herbed yogurt drizzle.

Thanks for the heads up on the "Artisan Tool & Die." I had never heard of them.

Kevin7 09-22-25 02:15 PM

This was posted in the 'what have you been wrenching on' thread.At first, I thought It looked the same but is different. post #10468


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...54c1427e7.jpeg

Trakhak 09-22-25 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Kevin7 (Post 23612313)
This was posted in the 'what have you been wrenching on' thread.At first, I thought It looked the same but is different. post #10468


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...54c1427e7.jpeg

The brand name that immediately pops into mind for that cage is "Ale," for whatever that's worth. Very inexpensive alloy cage in the 1980's.

Robvolz 09-22-25 04:08 PM

I think ALE is Italian vs T&A (which makes the school-boy in me giggle) which is French.

ALE also made toe clips, often anodized and toe strap ends.

These guys are tool makers, all steel. Why they branched off to make water bottle cages I dunno.

steelbikeguy 09-22-25 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by Robvolz (Post 23612387)
I think ALE is Italian vs T&A (which makes the school-boy in me giggle) which is French.
.....

I hate to ruin a good session of giggles, but it's T.A., not T&A.
...or was that a joke?...
In any case, it stands for Traction Avant.
I've got a few of their handlebar bottle cages, which are the test I've seen, and their Criterium for the down tube is pretty neat if you don't have braze-on bosses.

https://www.flickr.com/photo_downloa...ret=ac8e8cfa73

Steve in Peoria


rando_couche 09-22-25 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by bulgie (Post 23611809)
The logo is Artisan Tool & Die
I don't remember whether they had a plastic clip on the top like a TA, Reg and most everyone else.

They don't. Or at least mine (purchased new) never had one.

Scott P
Newport OR

Trakhak 09-23-25 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by steelbikeguy (Post 23612424)
I hate to ruin a good session of giggles, but it's T.A., not T&A.
...or was that a joke?...
In any case, it stands for Traction Avant.
I've got a few of their handlebar bottle cages, which are the test I've seen, and their Criterium for the down tube is pretty neat if you don't have braze-on bosses.

Steve in Peoria

My Raleigh Blue Streak 10-speed bike, a birthday present in 1963, came with a double-bottle T.A. handlebar setup (with spring clips to hold the blue Coloral bottles in place).

I still have a 1-pint jersey-pocket flask like the one pictured. Not T.A., but Atox (also marked "Reg").


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