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Old 10-09-25 | 04:02 PM
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Shimano released a silver Cues groupset

Silver components not dead!

1X10. Brake levers come in either hydraulic or cable. This might be just the ticket for a C&V gravel build!
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It's so weird it's Cues and not Tiagra.

A groupset to go with the IRD remote-less silver 27.2mm / 125mm dropper post... I have an idea for a really awkward bike


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I thought I read somewhere that this (Cues) is another very limited edition.
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The Path Less Pedaled guy (Russ) says that in Spain, it's pronounced kwess, which makes sense. So that's how I say it in my mind.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
It's so weird it's Cues and not Tiagra.
I am guessing the 4700 Tiagra is not long for this world. Cues is supposed to replace all the lower end groupsets and unify them all into the 9/10/11 speed Cues
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4700 is really old in groupset years. But isn’t that the time to do special editions?
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It looks really nice. Man, we used to have all silver and the fully black (or carbon, mainly) was the Special Thing. And now it's the opposite. First the silver GRX groupset, then SRAM's 1987 Edition for their Transmission MTB line (very recent release), and now this. Who here remembers Shimano doing sorta-mostly this with 5800 and R7000?
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I had silver 5800 on my Soma Smoothie. It looked real classy.
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Will it work with rim brakes and bar ends?

edit: oops. Bar end.
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Will it work with rim brakes and bar ends?
Somehow I don’t think you’re the intended customer!
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Somehow I don’t think you’re the intended customer!
But, … silver!
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If they eventually build a mass market silver groupset for a gravel bike, I might actually consider it.
This seems to be just hype for the Cues sets..
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Wow, I really like this

Being 10 speed I can use my old bombproof Ultegra hubs, correct?

edit: doesn’t look like there’s any rim brake option

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Originally Posted by Classtime
Will it work with rim brakes and bar ends?

edit: oops. Bar end.
Microshift makes Cues compatible bar-con shifters
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Originally Posted by daverup
If they eventually build a mass market silver groupset for a gravel bike, I might actually consider it.
This seems to be just hype for the Cues sets..
This particular 1x10 groupset is for gravel. The RD max cog size goes up to 50T, and the RD has clutch.
If my mathing is correct Cues should work with 11sp cassettes. A MTB 11sp cassette has a dished-in back side so it can go on the 35mm 8-10 speed HG hub. If you take out the smallest cog, which is 3.74mm wide, it should fit right on a ~31mm 7 speed HG hub and fit right into a 126mm drop out.
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
This particular 1x10 groupset is for gravel. The RD max cog size goes up to 50T, and the RD has clutch.
If my mathing is correct Cues should work with 11sp cassettes. A MTB 11sp cassette has a dished-in back side so it can go on the 35mm 8-10 speed HG hub. If you take out the smallest cog, which is 3.74mm wide, it should fit right on a ~31mm 7 speed HG hub and fit right into a 126mm drop out.
Personally, I would prefer a 2x set, as that suites my gravel bike use better. I did find another article online that said Shimano intends to make this more available than "limited". It also seems like a silver FD is coming as part of the Cues group.
Maybe I will get to make my gravel bike less black..
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz
Wow, I really like this

Being 10 speed I can use my old bombproof Ultegra hubs, correct?

edit: doesn’t look like there’s any rim brake option
Yes, 10 speed LG cassettes should fit on the standard HG 8/9/10 speed hub. It will overhang on the inner-side similar to most 10 speed cassettes (maybe just a little more), but should be fine since the innermost sprocket will be so big. It is with LG 11 speed that the 'overhang' is larger and could pose a problem with some freehubs.

And, there is the U4000 series brifters that is mechanical braking and should be SLR compatible.


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Now since I have been able to fit regular 10s cassettes onto a wholly unmodified pre-HG-C 7s, 126mm HG freehub (using an 11t lockring with a 12t smallest cog), could this Cues/Kwes 10s cassette possibly also fit on a 126mm freehub (using a longer-threaded HASSNS-brand 11t lockring)?

The Cues rear derailer lacks any slant to the parallelogram, suggesting that it is 1X-only. As well, such wider ratio cassettes like an 11-50t go right up against any modern derailer's wrap capacity without even having more than one chainring.
But a double might be coming if new front and rear derailers arrive, and with the cassette being limited to perhaps 40t or so (same situation with Shimano's GRX group).
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Now since I have been able to fit regular 10s cassettes onto a wholly unmodified pre-HG-C 7s, 126mm HG freehub (using an 11t lockring with a 12t smallest cog), could this Cues/Kwes 10s cassette possibly also fit on a 126mm freehub (using a longer-threaded HASSNS-brand 11t lockring)?

The Cues rear derailer lacks any slant to the parallelogram, suggesting that it is 1X-only. As well, such wider ratio cassettes like an 11-50t go right up against any modern derailer's wrap capacity without even having more than one chainring.
But a double might be coming if new front and rear derailers arrive, and with the cassette being limited to perhaps 40t or so (same situation with Shimano's GRX group).
You could be right about the significance of the lack of slant. My guess was that the lack of parallelogram slant is a tacit acknowledgement that the conventional slant design is good only up to some maximum cassette slant angle, maybe corresponding to 12 to 34 teeth or so, with cassette sprockets up around 50 teeth making much too steep a slope.

But has anyone tried one of the new non-parallelogram Shimano derailleurs on a cassette with a large sprocket of 28 or so? Maybe the new non-parallelogram design is tweaked in some way that makes it work just as well as the parallelogram design on narrower-range cassettes.
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4700 is really old in groupset years. But isn’t that the time to do special editions?
becoming like the Luxury Swiss Watch industry...
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Now since I have been able to fit regular 10s cassettes onto a wholly unmodified pre-HG-C 7s, 126mm HG freehub (using an 11t lockring with a 12t smallest cog), could this Cues/Kwes 10s cassette possibly also fit on a 126mm freehub (using a longer-threaded HASSNS-brand 11t lockring)?

The Cues rear derailer lacks any slant to the parallelogram, suggesting that it is 1X-only. As well, such wider ratio cassettes like an 11-50t go right up against any modern derailer's wrap capacity without even having more than one chainring.
But a double might be coming if new front and rear derailers arrive, and with the cassette being limited to perhaps 40t or so (same situation with Shimano's GRX group).
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You could be right about the significance of the lack of slant. My guess was that the lack of parallelogram slant is a tacit acknowledgement that the conventional slant design is good only up to some maximum cassette slant angle, maybe corresponding to 12 to 34 teeth or so, with cassette sprockets up around 50 teeth making much too steep a slope.

But has anyone tried one of the new non-parallelogram Shimano derailleurs on a cassette with a large sprocket of 28 or so? Maybe the new non-parallelogram design is tweaked in some way that makes it work just as well as the parallelogram design on narrower-range cassettes.
Some of the Cues does have a reduced slant, substituting an offset of the pulley relative to the cage pivot (yellow) to adjust for the 'slant' of the sprockets.

See the below for the RDs that is for 1x (6000) and the 2x (6020).


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You could be right about the significance of the lack of slant. My guess was that the lack of parallelogram slant is a tacit acknowledgement that the conventional slant design is good only up to some maximum cassette slant angle, maybe corresponding to 12 to 34 teeth or so, with cassette sprockets up around 50 teeth making much too steep a slope.

But has anyone tried one of the new non-parallelogram Shimano derailleurs on a cassette with a large sprocket of 28 or so? Maybe the new non-parallelogram design is tweaked in some way that makes it work just as well as the parallelogram design on narrower-range cassettes.
this is something SRAM started doing when they launched their 1x11 mountain bike groups back in the 2010s. Because there is no front chain ring they can do all of the gap adjustment by chain tension, using the location of the pivot on the derailleur cage.
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A non-slanted parallelogram is superior on rough ground, since there is no vertical component of motion delivered to the cage, so thus no unwanted in/out cage motion being imparted by bump forces against the return spring.
The downside of derailers that have A) no B-pivot spring and B) no parallelogram slant, is that the design relies entirely on heavy pulley offset, which makes the derailer incompatible with any substantial change in the chainring size (or the chain gap will vary wildly).
Shimano, unlike SRAM, has incorporated a B-pivot spring on derailers having no slant, making these fully compatible with wider-ranging chainring size, allowing wide-range doubles and triples. But their recent GRX derailers do sharply reduce the allowable cassette size range when they are used with even a double chainset.
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The Path Less Pedaled guy (Russ) says that in Spain, it's pronounced kwess, which makes sense. So that's how I say it in my mind.
'kwess' makes sense?

Look like more than one pool cue to me. Cues.
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'kwess' makes sense?

Look like more than one pool cue to me. Cues.
+1. I knew a guy who had worked at a Giant dealership who attempted to get people to pronounce the name "Ghee-ant" (rhyming with "tree-plant"). (He once mentioned that he was proud of his "Sell-tic" heritage. I explained to him that the initial "C" is hard, unless he was talking about the Boston basketball team.)

Cues is new enough so it's possible that the English pronunciation hasn't percolated through all the international markets yet. But it's bound to. Videos on bike products such as Cues are viewed around the world, so the English/American pronunciation will likely be universally adopted.

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