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Robvolz 01-28-26 03:00 PM

Lipstick on a pig (why)
 
This was donated. The lowest Peugeot made.

known as a P-4

Stamped drop outs. Came with steel rims, and shifters on the stem where they can do the most damage.

someone decided this frame needed better.

like campy C-record hubs
mavic rims
chorus French threaded sealed bearing BB
chorus cranks and FD
1980 stamped campy NR RD
techno 559 long reach brakes
sugino stem with nice milling
brooks b-17 saddle

lots of effort for this lowly frame.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9a96ea414.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...88b732313.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...45744b107.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...380da9a08.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c0deb34ac.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1565efc86.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...334012ff0.jpeg

albrt 01-28-26 03:05 PM

Paging AdventureManCO

SoCaled 01-28-26 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by albrt (Post 23686712)

Peufente?

P!N20 01-28-26 04:13 PM

Hubs don't look like C-Rec to me, but would need more photos.

Front derailleur is (C) Record, not Chorus.

I get your point, but still better having nice parts on a low end frame than nice parts sitting in boxes. IMO, YMMV, etc.

billytwosheds 01-28-26 04:28 PM

but how does it ride?

John D 01-28-26 04:36 PM

Appears the small cog is too close to the dropout to be useable.

jdawginsc 01-28-26 04:40 PM

Someone loved their bike…? No crime there. Maybe they loved how comfortable it was!

albrt 01-28-26 04:45 PM

Have you checked to make sure Allen Funt isn't lurking in the shadows waiting for a reaction?

(old guy joke)

Aubergine 01-28-26 05:06 PM

Hey. Those Carbolite frames were nice. Sure, they were a bit heavy but they rode well. I built one up myself with nice equipment.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0fb84224.jpeg

One summer I rode this more than all my other bikes together. It just worked.

Steel Charlie 01-28-26 05:12 PM

Looks like something any number of people here would put together. Sewups would be a nice addition.

bikingshearer 01-28-26 05:35 PM

As Sheldon Cooper once said, "what's life without whimsy?" (Big Bang Theory reference.)

nlerner 01-28-26 05:56 PM

That bottom bracket corrosion is troubling.

thumpism 01-28-26 06:07 PM

Upgrade the seatpost while you're at it.

delbiker1 01-28-26 06:16 PM

Is that a serious question?

maddog34 01-28-26 06:52 PM

that bike has "parts mule" written all over it.
if it were mine, i'd grab some wrenches, and start stripping it..

Velo Mule 01-28-26 06:57 PM

Thanks for the good pictures Robvolz . In the picture of the shifters, it looks like someone used touch up paint on missing paint.

I'd ride it. But I think the question is "why put all these good parts on that particular frame?". I haven't had any experience with the Peugeot Carbolite frames, however Peugeot has a history of making good low end frames that ride well. My guess is that the previous owner liked the bike and threw some good part at it a bit at a time. That is sometimes part of the fun of old bikes. I would certainly entertain doing something similar to a UO-8 or old Motobecane.

Hey, I was a bike snob once. I probably said the exact same thing when I was younger. All's good.

There was this technique of getting better things that applied to bicycles and Hi-Fi equipment back in the 70's. Get the best bike you can. As you get more experience with it upgrade the parts that you feel will make the bike better, (or the parts that wear prematurely, like the Simplex derailleur) and eventually as time and money allow you have a better bike. Then look for a better frame to hang all those good parts on. Some parts from my lowly Windsor International went on my Serotta that was purchased as a frame only.

RiddleOfSteel 01-28-26 09:00 PM

Wow, Campy 10-speed hubs! Some of the prettiest ones they made, IMO. If any frame was crying out for 35s and fenders or 38s by themselves, it's this one, easily. Props for the C-Record era crank, too. Always nice to see one.

obrentharris 01-28-26 09:14 PM

That's not a "pig." It's a Pug.
Brent

Aubergine 01-28-26 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 23686798)
Upgrade the seatpost while you're at it.

The seatpost -- or more accurately the seat tube -- is the one part that lets the Carbolite bikes down. The bike needs a 24 mm seat post, and those are sometimes hard to find. I found a Kalloy post for my P4 above but for the latest Carbolite bike i worked on, i was lucky to find a plain old candle seatpost. That bike was a mixte by the way and was the nicest mixte i have ever ridden. Nice and sturdy, no flex at the wrong times.

Robvolz 01-28-26 10:44 PM

There was much rust. And yes, someone spray paint/paint matched and didn't really mask. Over spray exists on the brakes, etc.

I stripped it and now the parts will make something a lil more worthy. Like this FAGGIN or ROSSIN frame I've been kicking around.

Campy C-record 8-speed is the rear is someone was wondering.

smontanaro 01-29-26 07:26 AM

Even pigs need a shot at beauty.

jdawginsc 01-29-26 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Robvolz (Post 23686928)
I stripped it and now the parts will make something a lil more worthy. Like this FAGGIN or ROSSIN frame I've been kicking around.

Both worthy recipients.

Mackers 01-29-26 08:44 AM

Looks like a regular bsa bottom bracket to me.

Surprising those crank arms didn't bind in the cups.

Bianchigirll 01-29-26 08:58 AM

FWIW Campanutella stopped using the Corse or C destination just before Ergos and cassette hubs come out.

I see Bianchis all the time that people have done that too. Even worse they repaint and decal them! They think because it's a Bianchi it sould be Celeste and festooned with top line Campanutella kit.

That's my favorite crankset

Thalia949 01-29-26 09:39 AM

‘cause she’s my pig and I’m gonna dress her up to go into town…


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