Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Replacement Italian Bottom Bracket

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Replacement Italian Bottom Bracket

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-05-26 | 02:39 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Training Wheels
5 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2020
Posts: 55
Likes: 33
Replacement Italian Bottom Bracket

I have a project bike with a Campagnolo Italian bottom bracket. I believe Nuovo Record (rifled cups). Spindle is 115mm and says 70-SS. The fixed cup (still attached) appears to have enough wear/damage that after inserting new bearings and grease, it still makes a slight grinding noise.

So, assuming I can get the fixed cup off (already broke one bolt attempting to do so), what is a good recommended Italian threaded ISO square taper sealed bottom bracket that I can swap in. I guess I can also hunt for a replacement Campy fixed cup, but not sure what would be more economical at this point. I saw this one from Token https://tokenproducts.us/products/tk...40862291329124 but don't know much about the brand's quality.

Last edited by Fried_Chicken; 06-05-26 at 07:27 PM. Reason: remove origin 8
Fried_Chicken is offline  
Reply
Old 06-05-26 | 03:03 PM
  #2  
Full Member
Titanium Club Membership
 
Joined: Feb 2023
Posts: 251
Likes: 819

Bikes: Take a look, if you have the time, https://www.flickr.com/photos/8379107@N03/collections/72157603319548765/ time.

Originally Posted by Fried_Chicken
I have a project bike with a Campagnolo Italian bottom bracket. I believe Nuevo Record (rifled cups). Spindle is 115mm and says 70-SS. The fixed cup (still attached) appears to have enough wear/damage that after inserting new bearings and grease, it still makes a slight grinding noise.

So, assuming I can get the fixed cup off (already broke one bolt attempting to do so), what is a good recommended Italian threaded ISO square taper sealed bottom bracket that I can swap in. I guess I can also hunt for a replacement Campy fixed cup, but not sure what would be more economical at this point. I saw this one from Token https://tokenproducts.us/products/tk...40862291329124 but don't know much about the brand's quality.
One problem is, most modern square taper BBs like are symmetric. You need one with offset. So going by the length won't guarantee a fit. Why not just get another fixed cup or another standard BB? Nuovo Record are common as dirt. Shimano or Suntour will work if you don't want to spend the money on Campy. Hard to beat Dura Ace quality, and it's an exact fit. You didn't mention if the spindle was also pitted.
bobsyourbike is offline  
Reply
Old 06-05-26 | 03:05 PM
  #3  
Thread Starter
Training Wheels
5 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2020
Posts: 55
Likes: 33
Originally Posted by bobsyourbike
One problem is, most modern square taper BBs like are symmetric. You need one with offset. So going by the length won't guarantee a fit. Why not just get another fixed cup or another standard BB? Nuovo Record are common as dirt. Shimano or Suntour will work if you don't want to spend the money on Campy. Hard to beat Dura Ace quality, and it's an exact fit. You didn't mention if the spindle was also pitted.
Ah good to know about the symmetric issue. Spindle actually looks ok. I guess I will just try to get a replacement cup then.
Fried_Chicken is offline  
Reply
Old 06-05-26 | 03:08 PM
  #4  
Full Member
Titanium Club Membership
 
Joined: Feb 2023
Posts: 251
Likes: 819

Bikes: Take a look, if you have the time, https://www.flickr.com/photos/8379107@N03/collections/72157603319548765/ time.

Originally Posted by Fried_Chicken
I have a project bike with a Campagnolo Italian bottom bracket. I believe Nuevo Record (rifled cups). Spindle is 115mm and says 70-SS. The fixed cup (still attached) appears to have enough wear/damage that after inserting new bearings and grease, it still makes a slight grinding noise.

So, assuming I can get the fixed cup off (already broke one bolt attempting to do so), what is a good recommended Italian threaded ISO square taper sealed bottom bracket that I can swap in. I guess I can also hunt for a replacement Campy fixed cup, but not sure what would be more economical at this point. I saw this one from Token https://tokenproducts.us/products/tk...40862291329124 but don't know much about the brand's quality.
And find a friend with a Campy fixed cup remover. It can be held in a vise and then you just turn the frame around it and it will spin the cup right out.


bobsyourbike is offline  
Reply
Old 06-07-26 | 08:10 AM
  #5  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
5 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 3,986
Likes: 3,230
From: Bloomington, IN

Bikes: Paramount, Faggin, Ochsner, Rossin, Ciocc

Fried_Chicken ,
I have this one you can have, Light scratches in the race area but not pitted. Should be OK for a while. lemme know, MH


Mad Honk is offline  
Reply
Old 06-07-26 | 08:32 AM
  #6  
Newbie
 
Joined: Aug 2022
Posts: 39
Likes: 14
Do I remember correctly that Italian BB fixed cups are right-threaded? Leastwise, the Suntour one that I have from the 80s is. (IIRC)

Saul
saulgoldie is offline  
Reply
Old 06-07-26 | 06:08 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 21,884
Likes: 3,759
Originally Posted by saulgoldie
Do I remember correctly that Italian BB fixed cups are right-threaded? Leastwise, the Suntour one that I have from the 80s is. (IIRC)

Saul
correct, normal orientation.
I have had one back out on me, a Super Record
repechage is offline  
Reply
Old 06-07-26 | 06:41 PM
  #8  
Thread Starter
Training Wheels
5 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2020
Posts: 55
Likes: 33
Originally Posted by Mad Honk
Fried_Chicken ,
I have this one you can have, Light scratches in the race area but not pitted. Should be OK for a while. lemme know, MH

Thank you so much! PM'd you.
Fried_Chicken is offline  
Reply
Old 06-07-26 | 07:30 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 5,383
Likes: 5,319
From: Central Virginia

Bikes: Numerous

Assuming you’re using the Campy crank that was used on the bottom bracket. Otherwise you’ll want to decide what crank you’re using before sorting out which BB.
__________________
N = '96 Colnago C40, '04 Wilier Alpe D'Huez, '10 Colnago EPS, '85 Merckx Pro, '89 Merckx Century, '86 Tommasini Professional, '04 Teschner Aero FX Pro, '05 Alan Carbon Cross, '86 De Rosa Professional, '95 Gios Compact Pro, '95 Carrera Zeus, ‘81 Masi Gran Criterium, ‘81 Merckx Pro, ‘89 Cinelli Supercorsa, ‘83 Bianchi Specialissima, ‘VO Randonneur, Ritchey Breakaway Steel, Rivendell Rambouillet, Heron Randonneur, ‘92 Ciöcc Columbus EL


Spaghetti Legs is offline  
Reply
Old 06-07-26 | 11:23 PM
  #10  
merziac's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Anniversary
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Active Streak: 30 Days
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 16,205
Likes: 9,592
From: PDX

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Originally Posted by Fried_Chicken
I have a project bike with a Campagnolo Italian bottom bracket. I believe Nuovo Record (rifled cups). Spindle is 115mm and says 70-SS. The fixed cup (still attached) appears to have enough wear/damage that after inserting new bearings and grease, it still makes a slight grinding noise.

So, assuming I can get the fixed cup off (already broke one bolt attempting to do so), what is a good recommended Italian threaded ISO square taper sealed bottom bracket that I can swap in. I guess I can also hunt for a replacement Campy fixed cup, but not sure what would be more economical at this point. I saw this one from Token https://tokenproducts.us/products/tk...40862291329124 but don't know much about the brand's quality.
So my method never fails or breaks anything ever, period.

The blue pipe also goes on the "fixed" cup and with 4 ft of leverage, it always works with very little drama.

You do have to get it on the ground with padding so you can wrestle with it, I just do it in the grass and never have a problem.

It doesn't always take 4ft. but its easier to just start there.





Last edited by merziac; 06-07-26 at 11:28 PM.
merziac is online now  
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.