I'd like to know if there are any sources - print or on-line or anywhere - that will help me value two old bikes that I have. They are an old all Campy Doniselli and an old all Campy Chiorda. Both are from around 1971. The Doniselli was the 1971 New York Show bike and I was told the Chiroda was one of eleven Team Chiordas brought into the U.S. in the early '70s. Googling does not really offer a place that might show representative prices.

Any and all help would be appreciated. Thank you.

New York Show bike and I was told the Chiroda was one of eleven Team Chiordas brought into the U.S. in the early '70s.

For small number and or obscure bikes the market is very variable, condition and size will have a big influence and parts as well, unless it was a bike that someone "really wanted" as a kid, and now as an adult can afford to buy one.

If the Chiorda had pantoed parts that would help for example.

I guess by "pantoed" you mean that certain parts might have the Chiroda name or logo on them, such as a chainring. Correct?

The frame has "Chiorda" cast into the top of the rear (upper) set stay.

It seems that if I want to sell these bikes, I should put them on eBay for awhile and see what people are willing to pay for them.

Posting photos of both would help us help you....

Correct, pantographed - milled decoration that sometimes even is significant to lighten up the parts as well, looks cool in a retro kind of way. Very 1970's Colnago really exploited it.

dannyg1 - you're right. Let me try to take some snap shots this week-end and get them posted.

Let me try to add some attachments

And let me try again

I dunno what to say - they are beautiful and will command a good price on eBay, if that's what you want to do with 'em. Does the pair have any history together?

The only history together was that I raced the Chiorda at the same time my wife raced the Doniselli back in the seventies.

I don't use the bikes and they are considered by some in my family to be "clutter". So, I am thinking of selling them. If I go to eBay, I figure I ought to have some sort of minimum/reserve in mind. That is why I was looking for sources that might help establish value.

The Doniselli, of the two, is the more desireable, but does that make it a $500 bike or a $1,000 bike or $2,000 bike. Is the Chiorda only worth the classic Campy components?

Another question: is eBay the way to go for these particular bikes that need a particular kind of buyer?

eBay works kinda like this: you minimize your investment time and that is gonna cost some (beyond the cost of the auction, shipping, etc.) When you have really rare things (and I think that these are pretty rare) the equation goes out the window, and you can expect a better return.

Because these marks are sooo rare, they might not get all of the attention that they need. It depends on who is looking at the time that they are up, who has the money, and who wants that particular bike. Clearly more that $500, though. You could part 'em out and make more than that on each. The Chiorda has additional history (I read about the show bikes somewhere on the web a while ago), and that should contribute to a good return. eBay can be disappointing, though. I know it is not the best way to get bids, but I'd put my minimum reserve on 'em, in case Wilma clears out all of the collectors in the southeast, for instance...

luker - thanks for the reply. eBay looks a little depressing. I was just over there (again) and it seems that it is filled with bicycle poster guys and anybody who thinks a 20 year old Schwinn reflector is worth some money - and all of that is listed under CLASSIC BIKES. Good grief. I'm afraid the Chiorda and the Doniselli would be lost over there. I still don't know what to list as a reserve. Maybe I'll just pick some rediculous number and let the bikes out there for a week or so.

I really do appreciate your input.

sporting goods > cycling > road bikes and parts.

That's where the vintage roadie people trade, mostly. People will find 'em. They are really nice. You sure selling 'em is a good idea?

I am NOT sure that selling them is a good idea. I could cry when I think about seeing them go. But, I don't use them, I really don't. I just don't ride bikes anymore. I'd rather putt around on my motorcycle. We're thinking of selling our house and orders from the top are to get rid of stuff we don't use anymore. I've already given away (or thrown out) a bunch of old bike parts and clothing - nobody really uses bicycling shoes with nail-in cleats, do they?

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Trex,

Yes I do still have nail on cleats.
don't throw stuff out, offer it up on the pay it forward thread, or here
(don't tell the other mods I said that!), person on receiving end pays
shipping and your old parts get a second life.
The other tact might be to talk to the wife about taking up riding again.
Its a nice family outing, get some excercise spend some time together
etc.

worth a shot.

marty