Can any one give me any history on Sannino?
 

I have a Sannino with Galli gruppo... it is a 12speed Criterium bike.

I am trying to find out any history of the maker, anything about the gruppo, and what the frame is made of.

It has stickers on it that say CVS Sannino.

At this year's Giro d'Italia, the Colombia-Selle Italia team were riding lightweight Corratec carbon fibre rigs, individually crafted by Italian Mauro Sannino, so he's still around. Jose Rujano rode to the maglia verde of best climber. You might be able to find out more from the mouth of the maker???

7222079233 recently completed on eBay - a Track frame with, oddly enough, a Galli wheelset. $600, so Mauro didn't make junk.

The Galli groupset has a lot of collector value on its own.

Can you post some pictures?

I'll take a few this evening. I currently have a trek clincher wheelset on it, but I also have the original tubular wheels at home in the garage.

Sannino is an Italian brand built by Mauro Sannino. He was taught framebuilding by his grandfather and spent about 10 years apprenticing to other framebuilders before starting his own business in 1979. He earned his reputation by supplying bicycles to the Polish and Russian national teams. Production was fairly limited, with about 1500 frames per year in the mid-1980s.

Many of the early models were roughly finished but by the mid-1980s, things had improved considerably. A trademark of many Sannino models were steeper geometries. Seventy-five degree seat tubes and seventy-seven degree head tubes were used on the mid-1980s Professional model. Offhand, I do not recall a Criterium model, but of the models I do recall, none were less than Columbus SL.

Galli was an Italian components manufacturer from about 1976 -1987. Their equipment is found quite a bit on Olmo and Sannino bicycles. It is good equipment and was patterned after Campagnolo, but was mostly popular for it's wide range of anodized colors (black, red, blue, gold, green, maybe others). I believe the cranksets were actually made by Stronglight and the hubs by Maillard.

Here are the pics of the bike and some details of some of the parts... I ride clinchers, but still have the sewup original Maillard hub wheels and the saddle and original galli pedals.

Bike is a bit dirty... been riding it. Very stiff "twitchy" ride BTW.

Had the bike since the early 80's but have not ridden it much as I commute on my other bike... But I was looking for a more sporty ride last year to break up the grind of commuting. Then I got to wondering what the real history was. I bought it from a small bike shop that had several.

Nice bicycle. I'm glad to hear that you kept the original parts. Yes, I'd agree with early 1980s. It doesn't have a pump peg, front derailleur braze-on or any chrome. Mauro hated chrome, believing it robbed the tubing of some of it's elasticity, particularly in the fork. This seems kind of strange given his penchant for steep angles,but given the angles, I suppose he wanted to retain every last bit of elasticity. He ventually gave in the importer's and customers' demands for chrome and by the mid-1980s his frames sported chrome forks and chain stays. Based on the era and size, I'd guess Columbus SL tubing, possibly with SP downtube and chainstays.

This is the first bicycle in a long time that I've seen with natural finish Galli parts, provided you don't count the pivot housings on the rear derailleur. You know, I don't think I've ever seen one of those cranksets with dustcaps. I'm beginning to wonder if they even came with dust caps?

Thanks... I debated riding it a lot or putting it on a wall and calling it art... but in the long run a bike is meant to be ridden. I do however keep it to short fast rides. It is a very stiff ride, so longer than about 50miles and one would really be just beat up.

BTW anyone know why the BB is open like that? See the pic in message 5.

The rear is a ringer for the first-generation super record derailleur...I'm still not sure what I'm seeing there.

this vintage of Italian bike did that to make the bike lighter, to drain the water that seeped in, and to look cool. The bottom bracket is supposed to have a plastic sleeve to keep water out of the moving parts.

It is a Galli RD... I'll post a better pic tomorrow... love finding out more about the bike. The shop that sold it to me mentioned that "this was the type of bike used in American Flyers."

Took it to a friends house many many months back and we watched the movie with other cyclists and laughed about the bike. ("yeah sure... your bike is that one right there... ") I had just cleaned it up so it was pristine... it was a hit for those viewing the movie.

It does, but honestly the sleeve is getting old. A while back it was mentioned that "Loose screws" still has those sleeves... I just always wondered why such a critical area would be open like that.

I just found a reference in a 1983 magazine, confirming that the Criterium was made with Columbus SL.

I guess I'll have to re-visit American Flyers. I always thought the bicycles, at least the ones used by the Costner and Grant, were Specialized.

Luker, the rear derailleur is a Galli Criterium. It pretty much copied the Campagnolo NR/SR geometry with minor, and some say improved, cosmetic changes.

In "American Flyers" the Russian team are riding Sannino frames.
There's a point during the beginning of the climb in the 3rd stage, the camera pans down the Russian Olympic champion and if you pause real quick you can just make out "Sannino" on the DT. Looks pretty much like your bike too.
American Flyers on DVD - best $4 I ever spent.
Nice bike....

Here are the shots of the RD... dirty... sorry, but it is a ridden bike. I did just notice however in the photos that it looks like my cable is fraying between the stop and the lockscrew. Note to self... need new cable.

You're right! The cranksets are even the Galli/Stronglight, but the front derailleurs looks like a Campgnolo SR. It's definitrly not the Galli. In an earlier scene you can even pick out the Columbus decal, though you can't determine which tubeset.

American flyers (the movie) also used Serotta bikes.
http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalog...ta-85/ser9.jpg

right at the top in the brochure it mentions them, Wonder if this
was the specialized bikes?

Marty

I thought the Specialized(s) were sporting 600EX (easy to say that after looking at Lotek's link - but I did!).
Bet they were Serottas.
I'll have to look at it again after the wife goes to sleep, not that I could tell anyway.
She thinks I have a "problem".
Sorry - off topic, but how many times do you get to bring up American Flyers without someone looking at you like you need to get out more?

I believe that Serotta made the Murray frames used by the 7-Eleven team during this period.

Mauro Sannino is now building the Corratec frames in Munich Germany. He moved away from Turin about 5 years ago. Virtually all the Sannino frames were painted red. The ties with Eastern Bloc countries were set up through some Fiat employees who had ties with Fiat production in Poland and the Soviet Union.

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how much did you spend on your sannino BTW?? I actually just got one, but it's not nearly in as good of a shape as yours. the sannino decal are chipping off! which i don't know where to even begin to find them! anyone??

I got one too (in blue), but the decals say "Carlos".....fork is chrome - original(?) - the frame is sannino on the BB, braze on FD and a brazed number-holder for racing numbers.....anyone an idea where this comes from

OK, I know this is a really old thread but I enjoy American Flyers as much as anybody.

Sannino was the supplier to the Russian Olympic team in the 1980 Moscow Olympics - there were several references to the US boycotting those games in the movie, Sergei Belov was the Olympic champion (in the movie, not a real guy) ... it was a nice piece of authenticity in the movie; along with 7-Eleven and the Murray bikes. There was almost no coverage in the USA of the Moscow Olympics so hardly anyone here would have known that... I'm not even sure how I knew.

I'm going to be a party-pooper. Galli was average equipment at best IMO.

Headsets and cranks were normally made by stronglight. I think I hold the world record for breaking Galli cranks (they were all I could afford as a teenager). Pedals were rubbish and were either in house or Maillard IIRC. Galli had a rebadged Look pedal in the late 80's. The hubs were maillard and worked ok but had a poor finish when compared to Campagnolo, Zeus, Shimano. Galli branded rims were available too and I am fairly sure they made them. Galli made their own brakes and derailleurs. The rear derailleurs sucked (especially the lesser models), so did the early model brake calipers. Normally you'd have to bend in the front of the outer plate on the front derailleur so it wouldn't throw your chain off. Once you had that sussed it was fine. The top model front changer looked very similar to Campagnolo at a glance. Later brake calipers were a good solid unit and were ok if you bent the spring slightly to lighten the action and threw away the useless brake pads.

The Sannino-Corretec-Selle Italia team link is interesting as Gianni Savio (manager and owner of the Selle Italia pro team) is of the Galli family and used to own the Galli business.

It may be an old team bike. There was a Carlos team in the late 70's-early 80's. I don't know who made their bikes but it may have been Sannino. Probably likely seeing as Galli was a co-sponsor and the links between Sannino, Galli, and pro teams.

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Very beautiful bike! I have a like new fully campy equipped sannino from early 80's and I can send detailed photos!
George