Question to no dice; is there a C&V culture/market in Germany? Lets say I went down to you, would I easily find classic road bikes for sale (like Puch and Gudereit)?

i'm not no*dice, but i'll step in to answer.. yes, there is a growing C&V scene in germany. the 2 major cycling forums ("Tourforum" and "Rennrad-News") have established C&V-sections which are quite busy. We talk german but most contributors also speak english. In fact, some are also active here
https://forum.tour-magazin.de/forumdisplay.php?f=34
https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=69

These communities also organize vintage rides like this one at Oberammergau, pictures on wooljersey at
https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...berammergau08/
https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/Drexl/Ausfahrt/

the "Tourforum" folks even have a nice event to elect a "classic of the month" which has run now for its first year, a casual event to present your classic to the community and have a nice chat about them. The winners are presented on a community website project at https://www.radklassiker.org (still in its very early stage); have a look, in october a gold plated Puch won...

Market we use the same means as you guys do, Ebay, local ad papers, yard sales, pestering old bike shop owners for old stock, and so on . Some shops also exist, like
https://www.fahradies.com/cms_extract...6/20060617.php
https://www.kettenlinie-coeln.de/willkommen.htm
https://www.cicli-berlinetta.de/
https://www.keirinberlin.de/

Unfortunately, collectable Puchs, Gudereits, Bauers and Opels are also rare here, even if maybe not so rare as over in the States.

Martin

Martl; good info! I´ll check those links. And, since I´m swedish with relations to Germany it wouldnt be all that painstaking visiting you - I can easily settle for Bitte ein Bit!

Ich habe ein deutsches Fahrrad während Leben in Deutschland gehabt. Es war ein großes Fahrrad. Es war eine Wadler Werke Marke.

Guy I knew in college went to Germany for a few weeks in the early 70s and had a frame made while he was there. Fritz Fleck was the builder, Flema was the brand name. He was a well known builder at the time. Really nice, simple Italian style frame.

While living in Austria in the early 90s, I bought a well-cared-for Stollenwerk (late 70s vintage, I'd guess), made in Aachen. It's still one of my favorite bikes. The frame is Reynolds 531 throughout. When I got it, it had a campy headset, fork, drop-outs, seatpost and hubs, with full late-70s/early 80s vintage dura ace drivetrain and brakes (Crane rear derailleur).

Haven't had much luck finding information about Stollenwerk. Any suggestions?

TIA

John

Flema is a highly regarded framebuilder here, as is Rickert, for example.
Stollenwerk Aachen is also well known, though more for their standard utility bikes than for racers - much similar to Rabeneick, who maintained their top line "Rabeneick Campagnolo" for a number of yerars.
CR has a section for Stollenwerk at https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ger...tollenwerk.htm

on this website, there is a very nice black and silver Stollenwerk:
https://www.fahrradsucht.de/leser/leser.php

howdy. i have a west german bike that i don't know much about. i found her on craigslist. it was listed as "rare 10 sp. w german bike, but at the time i thought "yeah, ok...whatever".
i named it the flying deutschmann. it is a montana de luxe. it came with foam padding, simplex prestige derailleurs, unbranded italian spring saddle, sugino cranks, union pedals, esge kickstand, rusty steel weinmann rims, and needing lots of tlc. i have changed up the rims, kickstand, saddle, and derailleurs and added a dynamo, a vw emblem i found on the road, and some other reflectors and whatnot.


most recent pic from the day i got the generator working (also made in w germany )
https://www.twitpic.com/n2m5o

other than that it looks like this now, except cameraphones don't do justice
https://www.twitpic.com/kkgbm

anywho, does anyone know any good resources to find out more about these? i saw a woman's montana de luxe frame for sale on a german ebay, all it said was it was an estate sale, but other than that i got nothing. montana de luxe seems to be both the make and model? any ideas on age? it has a serial number on it...

right about now the only thing i'd like to change is add a front fender and go back to the simplex derailleurs.

edit: ended up making a set on flikr
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adkenc/...7622686453848/

Here are a few more ...
Gudereit Fahrräder https://www.gudereit.de/
Patria Fahrräder https://www.patria.net/
Guylaine Fahrräder https://www.guylaine.de/
Marschall Framework https://www.marschall-framework.de/
vsf - Fahrradmanufaktur https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/
Krautscheid Rahmenbau https://www.krabo.de/
German Möhren https://www.germans-cycles.de/

And there are many more ...

Quoting myself - Now I have a Rickert road bike!
Also learned my neighbor uses his Rixie at work. Rides it around the college campus where he teaches.

Looks like Im a little late, but today I found a Fleetwing bike. The rear hub says 57 which Im assuming means 1957. The decal below the seat say Heidemann-Works HWH below it. I believe the bike to even have the original tires on it as they are stamped HAMBURG GERMANY. If anyone still has any intereset, I would be happy to post pics

I passed on a superlight East German Diamant, about 1955 with all house-made components.

Sounds like it's been largely a regional or cottage industry.

I have posted a new thread about my german bike. I'm looking to find out some more about this bike. Please have a look at the thread at: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...rman-bike-help

Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated! THANKS EVERYONE!

Can't believeI found this thread. Traded for this bike-because of the unusual frame. Since most of the decals are toast-I've been substituting letters. What I thought was an upgraded 70's bike-turns out to be a mid 80's Barellia (Brugelman) by earlier post in this thread. It has 1st gen shimano 105 (golden arrow) drs and an aerocoronado crank. Nice sloped fork and gipimme do's. The wheels are not orig (I'll never know what they were/but looks like 6 speed spaceing in the back. Any info appreciated. PS- found Phillippe bars under that foam! Mid 80's from component date searches.

I have an old heidemann HEW bicycle. It is in excellent condition. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can send pics.
drkrypter@yahoo.com

Have a look at our german classic lightweight blog. You'll find pictures of some very nice german bikes, including Rickert, Paupitz & Bracke.
https://www.klassikerausfahrt.de/

All the best

Z.

The funny thing is that right now most custom builders in Europe are in Germany. It is also the leading country in high end weight weenie bits with companies like Tune, Ax lightness, Spin, THM, B-T-P and Heylight (in no particular order).

If you're from the netherlands maybe this will be interesting for you: https://stalenrosklassiekeracefietsen...0-juni-de.html
They organize a retro ride in Thorn/Limburg in 10 Days. You'll see lot's of german & dutch bikes & nice people.

Thanks, I didn't knew that. Might be a nice trip for the ALAN - though it doesn't cover the moniker "stalen ros" (steel steed), since it's aluminum will you be attending?

I will. And I hope we will be around with some more aficionados from our Klassikerausfahrt. When it comes to the Alan I'm sure you're cordially welcome. Last time there was a nice guy with a brand new bike riding with us. You'll find some pictures here: https://www.klassikerausfahrt.de/?p=341

I have a Victoria Fahrrad-Werkes mixte that is a great bike. That company switched to making motorcycles primarily. https://www.flickr.com/photos/6133923...57626768578657

Very nice! I'll see if I can make it.

There was at least one importer of <RICKERT> frames in the late '60-early '70s. Rickert frames are quite nice, but not as pretty as contemporary Cinelli or Masi.

Durkopp, Bauer, and Rickert come to mind, in roughly chronological order.....