More bianchi fun
10-02-06 | 11:16 AM
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More bianchi fun
I have a bianchi frame with no identification available....
It is celeste with writing in dark blue. It has a made in Italy by F. LV. E. sticker on it...
The seriel number appears to be on the tube from headset to bottom bracket on the lower side at the BB end (but is very difficult to make out (quite faint) but looks like 6 then some sort of symbol then 6 AT 68 or similar.
The rear dropouts don't have adjusters but they look similar to campag ones (without moulded shape for adjuster), they are forged dropouts and have the word "Bianchi" very prominantly marked into them (doesn't look like name is stamped as it's too deep).. The rear dropout also has a built in rear mech hanger....
Anyway, if anyone has any Ideas I think it's from the mid to late 70's..
Only just got it so I will have another look over it and mention any more distinguishing features or marks.
Thanks
John
It is celeste with writing in dark blue. It has a made in Italy by F. LV. E. sticker on it...
The seriel number appears to be on the tube from headset to bottom bracket on the lower side at the BB end (but is very difficult to make out (quite faint) but looks like 6 then some sort of symbol then 6 AT 68 or similar.
The rear dropouts don't have adjusters but they look similar to campag ones (without moulded shape for adjuster), they are forged dropouts and have the word "Bianchi" very prominantly marked into them (doesn't look like name is stamped as it's too deep).. The rear dropout also has a built in rear mech hanger....
Anyway, if anyone has any Ideas I think it's from the mid to late 70's..
Only just got it so I will have another look over it and mention any more distinguishing features or marks.
Thanks
John
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10-02-06 | 02:23 PM
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Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
"6A..." MAY indicate 19_6, presumably 1976, in your case.
Are there any stickers or decals denoting the tubeset?
Are there any stickers or decals denoting the tubeset?
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
10-03-06 | 04:29 AM
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I will look over it for other marks...
So far other info/observations I have made.
I looked at the frame number again and I think the full number is just "6 AT 68". The first 6 and a symbol I think are just mistakes. The frame number looks like it was hand stamped into the frame and I think the first two marks are where they started the frame number and didn't hit the stamp hard enough (so first 6, which is a little faint was dicarded, 2nd character which I thought was a symbol looks like maybe it was two attemps to do a 6 slightly out of line from one another and again both a little faint).... Then they had a third attempt at it and got the 6 right and continued the number.... Just a guess but looks likely
The tubing is marked as calibrati 1-20 now I know of 1 post on this forum where someone said this is just low quality "gas pipe" steel. I am not 100% sure this is correct as the frame feels too light to be just plain steel and the only other mention of calibrati 1-20 I can find on the web is for a 1974 bike bianchi did to celebrate the World Championship win in 1973 (IIRC the campione del mondo wasn't a bottom of the range frame so this again makes me think the 1-20 isn't as rubbish as indicated in 1 previous thread....
The frame is made for 700C wheels, it doesn't have any provision for mud guards and from the measurements I took of the front fork it is made for the shortest arm callipers available. The frame measures 56x56cm. Bianchi is written in dark blue and the headbadge is also dark blue.
The shift lever arrangement is for clamp-on down tube shifters (with a little decorative bit below the tube to stop the clamp sliding down the tube)...
I will inspect it further later today and look for any marks on the fork crown or anything else of interest. So far I havn't inspected the headset (which is still in situ). If it is original then it may help place the frames quality and position it took up in the range.
Cheers
John
So far other info/observations I have made.
I looked at the frame number again and I think the full number is just "6 AT 68". The first 6 and a symbol I think are just mistakes. The frame number looks like it was hand stamped into the frame and I think the first two marks are where they started the frame number and didn't hit the stamp hard enough (so first 6, which is a little faint was dicarded, 2nd character which I thought was a symbol looks like maybe it was two attemps to do a 6 slightly out of line from one another and again both a little faint).... Then they had a third attempt at it and got the 6 right and continued the number.... Just a guess but looks likely
The tubing is marked as calibrati 1-20 now I know of 1 post on this forum where someone said this is just low quality "gas pipe" steel. I am not 100% sure this is correct as the frame feels too light to be just plain steel and the only other mention of calibrati 1-20 I can find on the web is for a 1974 bike bianchi did to celebrate the World Championship win in 1973 (IIRC the campione del mondo wasn't a bottom of the range frame so this again makes me think the 1-20 isn't as rubbish as indicated in 1 previous thread....
The frame is made for 700C wheels, it doesn't have any provision for mud guards and from the measurements I took of the front fork it is made for the shortest arm callipers available. The frame measures 56x56cm. Bianchi is written in dark blue and the headbadge is also dark blue.
The shift lever arrangement is for clamp-on down tube shifters (with a little decorative bit below the tube to stop the clamp sliding down the tube)...
I will inspect it further later today and look for any marks on the fork crown or anything else of interest. So far I havn't inspected the headset (which is still in situ). If it is original then it may help place the frames quality and position it took up in the range.
Cheers
John
10-03-06 | 08:39 AM
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Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Are the gear cables routed under or over the BB shell?
The clamp-on shifters suggest 1970s, rather than 1980s, which would have had brazed-on bosses.
The clamp-on shifters suggest 1970s, rather than 1980s, which would have had brazed-on bosses.
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"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
10-04-06 | 05:54 AM
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Ok inspecting a little further... The headbadge isn't dark blue it is black (with a little gold).... The Bianchi is written in non itallics and is written on the down tube and seat tube...
The frame number is a total misnomer as I found another one stamped into the top front of the headtube and it is just a number with no letters (I guess the other number I found was an old and useless attempt at a UK security mark (postcode and house number) - It was so badly done it looked nothing like a postcode so sorry about that).
The headset is manufactured by ofmega...
The rear dropouts on 2nd inspection possiblly are pressed ones so it probs is a cheap low end frame (still puzzled as I though celeste was reserved for the better frames in the range), also the lack of mudgaurd provision and the lack of any extra room between tyre and crown points at a more serious race oriented bike. Will weigh it (with and without forks) as I still think it is a reasonable weight and quite a nice geometery so will probs build it up as a comfy winter hack....
Appreciate the help so far
John
The frame number is a total misnomer as I found another one stamped into the top front of the headtube and it is just a number with no letters (I guess the other number I found was an old and useless attempt at a UK security mark (postcode and house number) - It was so badly done it looked nothing like a postcode so sorry about that).
The headset is manufactured by ofmega...
The rear dropouts on 2nd inspection possiblly are pressed ones so it probs is a cheap low end frame (still puzzled as I though celeste was reserved for the better frames in the range), also the lack of mudgaurd provision and the lack of any extra room between tyre and crown points at a more serious race oriented bike. Will weigh it (with and without forks) as I still think it is a reasonable weight and quite a nice geometery so will probs build it up as a comfy winter hack....
Appreciate the help so far
John
10-08-06 | 11:16 AM
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From: Hervey Bay, Qld, Australia.
Bikes: Colnago (82, 85, 89, 90, 91, 96, 03), 85 Cinelli, 90 Rossin, 83 Alan, 82 Bianchi, 78 Fountain, 2 x Pinarello, Malvern Star (37), Hillman (70's), 80's Beretto Lo-Pro Track, 80's Kenevans Lo-Pro, Columbus Max (95), DeGrandi (80's) Track.
I know Bianchi frames from the late 70's to early 80's were either made in Italy or Japan and could be identified by the BB width. The Italian frames had the Italian BB width of 70mm while the Japanese frames had a British BB width of 68mm. I didn't think the celeste colour was reserved for 'upper end' bikes, although your bike does sound to be a 'lower end' frame.
