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Old 07-08-07, 08:22 PM
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noob here, trying to find out what this is worth

I have a late 80's early 90's Lotus Classique,in almost new condition, This bike is insanely light, it can't weigh more than 20 pounds.

The specs are as follows:
54 cm. Lotus Classique
Champion #1 frame
Ukai Rims 700x25c
Champion Fork
Champion Custom Bars
Sugino RT cranks
Sun Tour ARx Groupset
Downtube Friction shifters


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Old 07-08-07, 10:01 PM
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I really doubt that a chromoly-framed bike weighs 17 pounds. My Colombus Cromor tubing frame Pinarello weighs 23 lbs fully built up. Just my 2 cents.
What Suntour groupset is it? Pictures?
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Old 07-08-07, 10:03 PM
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I'll bet you can get over $1500 on eBay. You should list it, and report back on your sales price!

And the "frame weighs less than 2", that must be 2 kilograms?? Very light!

Downtube, 9-speed, Suntour FRICTION shifters? Please post some pictures!! Sounds like a one-off, one-of-a-kind, probably very valuable!

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Old 07-09-07, 05:08 AM
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Lotus aadvertised the Classique with a claim weight of 23 lbs and usually these claims were optimistic, using the smallest frame sizes available. Your upgrades certainly wouldn't have removed 6 lbs. As for the age, the components sound 1983-1985.
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Old 07-09-07, 09:47 AM
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i'm not sure that it weighs 17 pounds, it was just a guess. It's still definately very light,comparable to some of the newer bikes that are <1000$. as for groupset, it's suntour ARx. I haven't seen any other bike like it. I'll try and get some pics up later. and to Mueller, you think I can really get that much?!?! I was only thinking it was worth maybe 400$.

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Old 07-09-07, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ga_mueller
Downtube, 9-speed, Suntour FRICTION shifters? Please post some pictures!! Sounds like a one-off, one-of-a-kind, probably very valuable!
I believe that's the very rare Suntour set-up that had two front chainrings and the innovative 4 1/2 cogs in the rear. Made originally to go with the Suntour Psychlone Gruppo.
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Old 07-09-07, 10:45 AM
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One week ago I picked up a Lotus Challenger 12-speed at the local thrift store for $19.99. It's Cro-Mo with a hi-tensile fork and needed only a new chain to ride.
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Old 07-09-07, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
....Made originally to go with the Suntour Psychlone Gruppo.


A steel frame under 2lbs? Ok.........
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Originally Posted by bigbossman


A steel frame under 2lbs? Ok.........
can you reply with something that's useful? I stated earlier that I wasn't positive about the weight, it was just a guess, but it is EXTREMELY light.
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Old 07-09-07, 03:07 PM
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hi there, can i just hog the question and find out what you guys think this bike could be doing: http://www.chermin.com/scapin/

thanks in advance!
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There was a Lotus Legend on eBay recently, the seller had a reserve of $395 on it, it didn't sell. Then he relisted it, with an opening bid of $249, no reserve. It didn't sell.

Just for comparison, the Lotus Legend was top of the line, so figure yours is worth less than $250.



On the other hand, this Lotus Odyssey frameset just sold for nearly $300!
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[QUOTE=Blue Order]There was a Lotus Legend on eBay recently, the seller had a reserve of $395 on it, it didn't sell. Then he relisted it, with an opening bid of $249, no reserve. It didn't sell.

Just for comparison, the Lotus Legend was top of the line, so figure yours is worth less than $250.


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Old 07-09-07, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by straightballin
.... the frame alone weighs under 2.
Don't get yer panties all in a bunch - we're (mostly) pals, here.

You did initially state it was under 2lbs as fact, after all.

So, here are a couple of useful things:

A) I doubt there are too many steel frames under 3.5-4lbs, let alone 2.
B) Posting pictures would go A LONG WAY towards us helping you out. We need to see what you want us to evaluate. In detail.
C) What bike market are you in? Unless it is a very desireable classic (it isn't), the answer to "what is it worth" can vary wildly between locales. In SF you might get $200, in Forgan OK you might get $10.

Help us help you, and we will. Or, you can put it on eBay with a reserve of what you'd like to get for it and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by bigbossman
Forgan OK you might get $10
*packs bags for Forgan, Oklahoma...*
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
*packs bags for Forgan, Oklahoma...*
You ever been there? Just asking........
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Originally Posted by bigbossman
You ever been there? Just asking........
Nope. It's already beginning to sound ominous...
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Original retial price for a 1984-1985 Classique was $399 US. It it was all original, in good cosmetic and mechanical condition, it might bring $100-$150. The upgrades will not add much to the value and depending on the buyer, might even devalue the bicycle.
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Originally Posted by bigbossman
Don't get yer panties all in a bunch - we're (mostly) pals, here.

You did initially state it was under 2lbs as fact, after all.

So, here are a couple of useful things:

A) I doubt there are too many steel frames under 3.5-4lbs, let alone 2.
B) Posting pictures would go A LONG WAY towards us helping you out. We need to see what you want us to evaluate. In detail.
C) What bike market are you in? Unless it is a very desireable classic (it isn't), the answer to "what is it worth" can vary wildly between locales. In SF you might get $200, in Forgan OK you might get $10.

Help us help you, and we will. Or, you can put it on eBay with a reserve of what you'd like to get for it and see what happens.
sorry about the hostility, I thought you were saying that in a mocking tone. thanks for the help, I got pictures, they're attached below.
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ah, dude. it is a nice bike. a good rider. you won't send your children to college with the proceeds. And, bossman is always mocking, just a little...you should see it when he's really mocking.
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Originally Posted by luker
ah, dude. it is a nice bike. a good rider. you won't send your children to college with the proceeds. And, bossman is always mocking, just a little...you should see it when he's really mocking.
It is a nice rider. It's not worth that much (150-200) depending on market. It still is nice.
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Originally Posted by luker
And, bossman is always mocking, just a little...you should see it when he's really mocking.
That hurts. Now you've gone and made me cry. >SNIFF<

Seriously - if I come across that way I sincerely apologize. I have a (sometimes poor) sense of humor, and reached a state of arrested maturity at about age 16. No harm meant, really. I'll try to be more helpful in the future.... until I forget myself again.

If you met me in person, you'd love me.

Honest to God.

Really.

Well....... some of you might.

Maybe
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Originally Posted by bigbossman
That hurts. Now you've gone and made me cry. >SNIFF<

Seriously - if I come across that way I sincerely apologize. I have a (sometimes poor) sense of humor, and reached a state of arrested maturity at about age 16. No harm meant, really. I'll try to be more helpful in the future.... until I forget myself again.

If you met me in person, you'd love me. Honest to God. Really. Well....... some of you might.
How could anyone not? With that nice bunny avatar and all.
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"Forgan OK you might get $10"....Is that near Minko, OK?
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Good steel frames weigh in the 4-5 pound range, few are under 4 pounds. Hi Tension steel frames weigh in at around 7 pounds.

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Originally Posted by bigbossman
That hurts. Now you've gone and made me cry. >SNIFF<

Seriously - if I come across that way I sincerely apologize. I have a (sometimes poor) sense of humor, and reached a state of arrested maturity at about age 16. No harm meant, really. I'll try to be more helpful in the future.... until I forget myself again.

If you met me in person, you'd love me.

Honest to God.

Really.

Well....... some of you might.

Maybe
Agreed. Some of us like bigbossman. He has some great avatars! He also makes excellent ride reports in 'where'd you ride today?' .

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Originally Posted by Bloviating
How could anyone not? With that nice bunny avatar and all.
Apparently you've never watched monty python and the holy grail...
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