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EBH 04-15-14 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by stingx (Post 16667639)
Campy Veloce 8-speed group and modern wheelset on old Masi Gran Corsa.

http://stubble.org/mobile/masi.jpg

Very nice
BTW
How do you mix 8 speed drivetrain with modern wheels?

Michael Angelo 04-15-14 04:31 AM

Good Question.

bikejunkie 04-15-14 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by EBH (Post 16672011)
Very nice
BTW
How do you mix 8 speed drivetrain with modern wheels?

8,9 & 10 speed cassettes will all fit on the same freehub. 7 speed will fit with a spacer. 11 speed needs an 11 speed freehub (except Campy).

frantik 04-15-14 05:29 AM

you roadies are lucky you can easily get modern wheels that are compatible with rim brakes.. over in 26" land everything is disc brake now

Italuminium 04-15-14 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by bikejunkie (Post 16672066)
8,9 & 10 speed cassettes will all fit on the same freehub. 7 speed will fit with a spacer. 11 speed needs an 11 speed freehub.

Not quite true, this is Campagnolo. 9, 10 and 11 share a freehub, 8 speed is different.

thirdgenbird 04-15-14 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by bikejunkie (Post 16672066)
8,9 & 10 speed cassettes will all fit on the same freehub. 7 speed will fit with a spacer. 11 speed needs an 11 speed freehub (except Campy).


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 16672092)
Not quite true, this is Campagnolo. 9, 10 and 11 share a freehub, 8 speed is different.

Italuminium is correct.

there are three solutions for 8spd campy and modern wheels

1. shimano freehub and a shimano 7spd cassette. You loose a cog, but spacing (5mm) is identical so shifting is perfect.

2. Once upon a time, campy sold a spacer set that would let you respace a campy 9spd cassette to 8spd (you removed a cog) for use on their 9-11spd wheels.

3. Wheels manufacturing make spacers to respace a shimano 8 cassette to campy 8

Italuminium 04-15-14 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgenbird (Post 16672156)
Italuminium is correct.

there are three solutions for 8spd campy and modern wheels

1. shimano freehub and a shimano 7spd cassette. You loose a cog, but spacing (5mm) is identical so shifting is perfect.

2. Once upon a time, campy sold a spacer set that would let you respace a campy 9spd cassette to 8spd (you removed a cog) for use on their 9-11spd wheels.

3. Wheels manufacturing make spacers to respace a shimano 8 cassette to campy 8

Good suggestions.

At the front, it's possible to convert the levers to 9 or 10 speeds. There's a company that does that for you if you don't have the mechanical chops to pull it off. Ergo Levers - Branford Bike - Seattle/Bellevue - Campagnolo Pro Shop

RobbieTunes 04-15-14 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by sumgy (Post 16671957)
Concorde Prelude built up with 10 speed Record.

I've not seen a Concorde that didn't impress. They really made nice stuff.
Building them well seems to be the rule, rather than the exception.

Welcome to the forum, and I'll bet the pictures don't do it justice.

RobbieTunes 04-15-14 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgenbird (Post 16672156)
Italuminium is correct.

there are three solutions for 8spd campy and modern wheels

1. shimano freehub and a shimano 7spd cassette. You loose a cog, but spacing (5mm) is identical so shifting is perfect.

2. Once upon a time, campy sold a spacer set that would let you respace a campy 9spd cassette to 8spd (you removed a cog) for use on their 9-11spd wheels.

3. Wheels manufacturing make spacers to respace a shimano 8 cassette to campy 8

Yep, the issue always begins with the freehub. If it's Campy modern, going for 8-sp requires some real modifications. If it's a Shimano freehub, there are plenty of options. You can even run a straight 8-sp Shimano cassette on the Shimano freehub, with some chatter at one end of the spectrum, easily adjusted with the DT cable adjuster.

PhilPub 04-15-14 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by sumgy (Post 16671957)

Quoted for new page. I love a good Concorde and that mix of black, white, chrome and silver is gorgeous!

stingx 04-15-14 08:22 AM

Thanks for answering the question. I didn't log in until now and missed the question :)

stingx 04-15-14 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgenbird (Post 16672156)
Italuminium is correct.

there are three solutions for 8spd campy and modern wheels

1. shimano freehub and a shimano 7spd cassette. You loose a cog, but spacing (5mm) is identical so shifting is perfect.

2. Once upon a time, campy sold a spacer set that would let you respace a campy 9spd cassette to 8spd (you removed a cog) for use on their 9-11spd wheels.

3. Wheels manufacturing make spacers to respace a shimano 8 cassette to campy 8

The wheelset was for Shimano. I have the original freehub, swapped for the campy. Will take option number 3 for 1000, Alex!

triggahiccups 04-15-14 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 16671212)
I've bought/sold 2 of those, a '97 and a '98. If I recall correctly, that was a triple setup, Ofmega crankset? There are a LOT of decals on that model. I think I'd just get some basic Bianchi, and a Trofeo if possible, and run it. Avanti needs to stay clean and well-lubed, won't let you down.

Thanks for the info, yes it is an Ofmega crank. And yea there is a bunch of decals, I actually found another shot of a celeste one that I think is an older model than mine. Almost the exact same decals though.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=374837

Anyways I figure it's pretty much a lost cause at this point so I might just throw some basic black decals on there and call it a day.

tinkerbike 04-15-14 08:52 AM

For Campy 8-speed, try eight Shimano 7-speed cogs on a new 11-speed Shimano wheel...
 
As someone said, Shimano 7 and Campy 8 have the same cog spacing, there's just one less cog on the Shimano. On one of my Campy 8 ergo bikes, I have a Shimano 7 speed cassette on an 8/9/10 wheel with an added cog for a total of 8 Campy spaced cogs. Most 8/9/10 Shimano compatible freehubs will not fit this extra cog, but I'd bet most of the new 11 speed freehubs will work.


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 16672320)
Yep, the issue always begins with the freehub. If it's Campy modern, going for 8-sp requires some real modifications. If it's a Shimano freehub, there are plenty of options. You can even run a straight 8-sp Shimano cassette on the Shimano freehub, with some chatter at one end of the spectrum, easily adjusted with the DT cable adjuster.


RobbieTunes 04-15-14 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by triggahiccups (Post 16672511)
Thanks for the info, yes it is an Ofmega crank. And yea there is a bunch of decals, I actually found another shot of a celeste one that I think is an older model than mine. Almost the exact same decals though.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=374837

Anyways I figure it's pretty much a lost cause at this point so I might just throw some basic black decals on there and call it a day.

I bought/sold a celeste one "97 I'm pretty sure, came with Avanti 2x8 and a Miche crankset. I bought it specifcally for a friend's wife, and she still rides it. The wheels are very hard to get tires on/off. About a month later, I found a '98 for my friend so he could ride with his wife, the Fire Red metallic. Decals are almost identical, and very numerous, seemed like Bianchi slapped a decal on every available space. Still, a good bike, love the stiffness of that oval flattened DT where it goes into the BB shell. The triple made me envious, I seriously thought about swapping it to 2x8 Veloce before I delivered it to my friend... Should be Miche cassettes on there, as well.

sumgy 04-15-14 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 16672311)
I've not seen a Concorde that didn't impress. They really made nice stuff.
Building them well seems to be the rule, rather than the exception.

Welcome to the forum, and I'll bet the pictures don't do it justice.

Thanks Robbie
She is a beautiful bike.
Sadly it seems that they are not given much interest by most. Seems that you mention Concorde and peoples eyes glaze over here and elsewhere despite the fact that they seem to be built by Ciocc (mine has the flag on the top tube and looks very similar to their San Cristobal model).

Italuminium 04-15-14 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by sumgy (Post 16673481)
Thanks Robbie
She is a beautiful bike.
Sadly it seems that they are not given much interest by most. Seems that you mention Concorde and peoples eyes glaze over here and elsewhere despite the fact that they seem to be built by Ciocc (mine has the flag on the top tube and looks very similar to their San Cristobal model).

That might be a US thing. Over here in The Netherlands, home base of Veltec (the company that had Concorde as its main Italianesque brand for years) nearly every collector has one concorde or another kicking around. They're highly visible and widely available.

himespau 04-15-14 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by sumgy (Post 16673481)
Thanks Robbie
She is a beautiful bike.
Sadly it seems that they are not given much interest by most. Seems that you mention Concorde and peoples eyes glaze over here and elsewhere despite the fact that they seem to be built by Ciocc (mine has the flag on the top tube and looks very similar to their San Cristobal model).

I'm a fan of my Concorde, but mine appears to have had a front end collision. It came to me without a fork and previous owner said there was no evidence of damage near the lugs. After looking closely, I see a tiny dimple near the point of the lug on the bottom of the top tube, but I ride it with its replacement fork and love it. Between the nicer Concordes and some Gazelles, there were some really nice looking dutch frames made in the 80's. With the emphasis placed on cycling in that region, I don't know why the italians get all the love. Whatever, I like mine and you appear to like yours.

Italuminium 04-15-14 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by himespau (Post 16673565)
I'm a fan of my Concorde, but mine appears to have had a front end collision. It came to me without a fork and previous owner said there was no evidence of damage near the lugs. After looking closely, I see a tiny dimple near the point of the lug on the bottom of the top tube, but I ride it with its replacement fork and love it. Between the nicer Concordes and some Gazelles, there were some really nice looking dutch frames made in the 80's. With the emphasis placed on cycling in that region, I don't know why the italians get all the love. Whatever, I like mine and you appear to like yours.

Again, Veltec had many subcontractors working for them in Italy to supply the Dutch market with Italian frames. We were, and still are, infatuated with beautiful Italian bikes!

sumgy 04-15-14 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 16673541)
That might be a US thing. Over here in The Netherlands, home base of Veltec (the company that had Concorde as its main Italianesque brand for years) nearly every collector has one concorde or another kicking around. They're highly visible and widely available.

I am in Australia.
Not much love for them here either.
Just been out for another ride on her.
Smooth, quiet and I have had more Strava PB's in the last few weeks than I can count.
She is a joy to ride and my CF bike is gathering dust.

RobbieTunes 04-15-14 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by sumgy (Post 16673843)
She is a joy to ride and my CF bike is gathering dust.

Music to RobbieTunes' ears...

sumgy 04-15-14 04:53 PM

If you are interested, here is the link to my thread about my Prelude:

http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ncorde+prelude

EBH 04-15-14 11:45 PM

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EBH 04-15-14 11:48 PM

Have you seen this thread?
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...-concorde.html
Yours is nice BTW sumgy, and one day I'm gonna put a modern group on my Aquila

dedhed 04-16-14 09:57 AM

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After the frame on my '87 400 broke I moved all the ultegra stuff to a '91 400 as my new commuter.


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