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diphthong 06-06-20 10:01 AM

recently completed 1988 nishiki olympic w/campy potenza

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2dfa1a22.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...227d54606.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1074eafb.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3527cea25.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...180fc4282.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1b37f052b.jpeg

KASKetMaker 06-06-20 10:40 AM

Ochsner 63.5 classic rebuild
 
Cant show pix until 10xFrame + Fork: Ochsner 63.5 cm NEW/NOS

Headset: Shimano 105 NEW/NOS

Handlesbar: ITM Super Racing PRO 260 46; double groove

Stem: ITM "Ochsner" 100 NEW/NOS

Seatpost: ITM 27.2; fluted

Saddle: Selle San Marco Squadra "Ochsner" Titanium rails NEW/NOS

Pedale: Look PP247

Bartape: BBB NEW



Rims: SunRims ME14A 32 hole NEW

Spokes: Sapim race, butted 2.0/1.8/2.0 NEW

Nipples: DT Swiss Brass NEW

Hubs: Shimano Ultegra 600; 8-speed 32 hole

Skewers: Shimano Ultegra 600



Tires: Vittoria Corsa Graphene 28 mm NEW

Tubes: NEW



Brake Lever: Shimano Ultegra 600 STI

Shifter Shimano Ultegra 600 STI

Cable stops: Shimano

Brakes: Shimano Ultegra 600 6403

Front Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra 600 6401; braze-on

Rear Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra 600 6403; 8-speed

Crankset: Shimano Ultegra 600 175; 53/39

Bottom Bracket Shimano HG71 113; ITA

Cassette: Shimano HG72 12-25; 8-speed

Chain: Shimano HG91 8-speed NEW/NOS

Cables + Housing: Jagwire NEW



Bottle Cage: Elite Ciussi Inox NEW

blamester 06-06-20 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by jbchybridrider (Post 21518037)
I think I'll be sneaky and post this here :innocent: Just finished and ready to ride "Ex" flat bar hybrid 93 Giant Innova turned gravel bike with sti's. Frame and fork restored then mostly rebuilt with parts I had, some new.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...723e7fe91c.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0bd7b92f0.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...90fc68fc97.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0ed67f60f7.jpg

Good bike.

N2motorsports 06-06-20 05:42 PM

what are your thoughts on the potenza? I like the fact that they are silver, looks retro and period correct.

Schlafen 06-06-20 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by N2motorsports (Post 21517229)
Just finished up my son's puch but ran into some problems.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f3d4fcbfad.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5fe482e1f0.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f01bb2623.jpg
For groupset I used sram apex, everything went well except for the front derailleur which doesnt want to reach unless I tension tha xable super tight. So now it'll shift bit makes a very loud clicking sound on the down shift.
I figure the problem is the clamp on adapter which brings the derailleur closer to the frame by a few mm, then a the problem is compounded with outboard cups that pushes the crank further away. Anyone solve this problem? Was told the newer sram have a further reach? Thanks.

Sounds like standard Sram to me. My front derailleur makes a loud 'clunk' noise when going down into the small ring.
Cable tension is ridonkulous compared to Shimano and if you're not using strong quality cables they will stretch rather quickly. I've been running DuraAce ptfe cables and had to retension them twice beteen 300 and 600 miles. They won't last long.

Only the yaw front derailleurs have a longer reach, Apex road 10 speed was not updated to yaw, as far as I know only 11 speed was updated to yaw.
The outboard bb should not be a problem using a band on derailleur, unless the BB shell is wider than 68mm in which case you would not be able to fit the cranks anyway..
Check the limit screws carefully.

mstateglfr 06-06-20 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by N2motorsports (Post 21517229)
For groupset I used sram apex, everything went well except for the front derailleur which doesnt want to reach unless I tension tha xable super tight. So now it'll shift bit makes a very loud clicking sound on the down shift.

There is a long running joke that sram has pushed 1x for drivetrsins because they can't make a good front derailleur.
I know, that's of no help here.

Anyways, neat kid's bike build. Maybe rotate the bars down a bit so the levers are more level and can be accessed comfortably from the drops?...that may mean raising the stem though, if where the leverd are now is what fits.

diphthong 06-07-20 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by N2motorsports (Post 21519158)
what are your thoughts on the potenza? I like the fact that they are silver, looks retro and period correct.

i like it for exactly the reasons you outlined. wanted to keep the bike 4 colors: the red and cream of the frame, silver in the center with the wheelset, drivetrain, shifters, seatpost and stem
and black on the tops and bottoms (handlebar wrap/hoods, tires, saddle). my first campy set...have only ridden shimano before and the potenza is a little different but not wildly so.
only have about 70 miles on the new potenza groupset and the bike but hope to hit the 500 mile mark for june with this build.

agchopz 06-07-20 11:48 PM

Got this frame for $80 and went with it. was patient on ebay and found some super cheap deals. finally finished her up
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eb131e365d.jpg

BigBoss84 06-08-20 12:23 AM

[QUOTE=bigbossman;5623226]My Palo Alto (again :o):



Good bike
Very amazing!!

T.W.O. 06-08-20 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 21454763)
Something I've been wanting to do for a while and finally got around to: fitting brifters to my Roy Thame.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f1cdf33fc3.jpg

I realize that it is over a month since this was posted, but I gotta ask... It looks like you have Campy Brifters, an old Shimano Deore XT rear mech, and an even older Deore "Deerhead" front mech. If that is correct, do the parts work well together? What size cassette are you running on the back? 9 speed? 10speed? That is an outstanding looking build!

Rocket-Sauce 06-08-20 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by jbchybridrider (Post 21518037)
I think I'll be sneaky and post this here :innocent: Just finished and ready to ride "Ex" flat bar hybrid 93 Giant Innova turned gravel bike with sti's. Frame and fork restored then mostly rebuilt with parts I had, some new.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...90fc68fc97.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0ed67f60f7.jpg

Very curious how well the Chinese brifters work and hold up. I’ve been tempted by the price for sure. 😎Hopefully you have better luck than this guy



jbchybridrider 06-08-20 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce (Post 21521468)
Very curious how well the Chinese brifters work and hold up. I’ve been tempted by the price for sure. 😎Hopefully you have better luck than this guy



Yes I've seen that and don't blame him for being disappointed. But he was having a derailleur issue though and was probably forcing the shift lever, well that's what I think. As he was saying he could/ would do things different again setting it up.
I'm already using a Shimano mechs and lubed cables from the beginning and love the sti's. They look and feel great, the levers feel very light to use and shifting is sharp and spot on. Can't complain so far.

himespau 06-08-20 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by agchopz (Post 21521315)
Got this frame for $80 and went with it. was patient on ebay and found some super cheap deals. finally finished her up
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eb131e365d.jpg

That is gorgeous.

non-fixie 06-08-20 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by T.W.O. (Post 21521404)
I realize that it is over a month since this was posted, but I gotta ask... It looks like you have Campy Brifters, an old Shimano Deore XT rear mech, and an even older Deore "Deerhead" front mech. If that is correct, do the parts work well together? What size cassette are you running on the back? 9 speed? 10speed? That is an outstanding looking build!

Thank you! Correct, your parts identification skills are well-honed. :) And yes, it all works beautifully together.

The brifters are "old" (pre-2001) 9-speeds. Their cable pull per click is the same as Shimano 6-speed indexed levers, so if combined with a Shimano SIS rear derailleur (any will work, except for some older Dura-Ace stuff), it works with any 5- or 6-speed rear block that has a 5.5mm pitch. The superfluous clicks are blocked out by the RD "L" limiting screw. On this bike I am running a 5-speed SunRace freewheel, with modern ramped cogs for the smoothest en quickest shifting.

Front shifting is not really indexed with Campagnolo. It's a ratcheting system, which means it works with any front derailleur that will swing out far enough to cover the width of the chainset.

One reason I started playing around with this "ShimErgo" concept a while back is that it provides a cheap and easy way to brifterize an old 10 or 12-speed bike. All you need is a pair of old Ergo's and a SIS RD. Compressionless cable housing and ramped cogs are not strictly necessary, but do improve the user experience significantly.

Mushrooom 06-08-20 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by agchopz (Post 21521315)
Got this frame for $80 and went with it. was patient on ebay and found some super cheap deals. finally finished her up
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eb131e365d.jpg

Looking good!!! What saddle are you using?

curbtender 06-08-20 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by agchopz (Post 21521315)
Got this frame for $80 and went with it. was patient on ebay and found some super cheap deals. finally finished her up

Another nice build. Question, I was wondering if you noticed any creaking from that UNO seatpost?

himespau 06-08-20 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by curbtender (Post 21521812)
Another nice build. Question, I was wondering if you noticed any creaking from that UNO seatpost?

That's not my bike, but I built a bike using that seatpost (or one very similar) and a sprung saddle (B-72 knockoff) for my wife. There's some creaking, but I've never been able to determine whether it's the saddle or something else (post didn't occur to me). I just sort of assumed it was the springs and, since she doesn't ride it much, haven't worried too much about it. Now, I'm going to go down a rabbit hole.

curbtender 06-08-20 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by himespau (Post 21521882)
That's not my bike, but I built a bike using that seatpost (or one very similar) and a sprung saddle (B-72 knockoff) for my wife. There's some creaking, but I've never been able to determine whether it's the saddle or something else (post didn't occur to me). I just sort of assumed it was the springs and, since she doesn't ride it much, haven't worried too much about it. Now, I'm going to go down a rabbit hole.

I have it on my my Miyata Titanium bike, 25mm, so I can't just change it out. Only creaks when pedaling in the saddle and I've eliminated most every thing other than that.

upthywazzoo 06-08-20 05:12 PM

2001 Lemond Zurich
 
Haven't posted in a while. I had been riding an '89 Schwinn Paramount that I adored, but a couple years ago it was stolen out of my garage. Some time later, an eBay search alert popped up for "Lemond Zurich" and it happened to be my favorite colorway/year for any of the Trek-built frames AND signed by the man himself. Initially built it up in silver with 7800 and aluminum rims and then rebuilt it last year with new everything and a Columbus Minimal fork painted to match (because it's extra af). Awesome ride, and hopefully I can keep it forever.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5818769315.jpg

mstateglfr 06-08-20 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by upthywazzoo (Post 21522779)
Awesome ride, and hopefully I can keep it forever.

That is sharp!

T.W.O. 06-08-20 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 21521621)
Thank you! Correct, your parts identification skills are well-honed. :) And yes, it all works beautifully together.

The brifters are "old" (pre-2001) 9-speeds. Their cable pull per click is the same as Shimano 6-speed indexed levers, so if combined with a Shimano SIS rear derailleur (any will work, except for some older Dura-Ace stuff), it works with any 5- or 6-speed rear block that has a 5.5mm pitch. The superfluous clicks are blocked out by the RD "L" limiting screw. On this bike I am running a 5-speed SunRace freewheel, with modern ramped cogs for the smoothest en quickest shifting.

Front shifting is not really indexed with Campagnolo. It's a ratcheting system, which means it works with any front derailleur that will swing out far enough to cover the width of the chainset.

One reason I started playing around with this "ShimErgo" concept a while back is that it provides a cheap and easy way to brifterize an old 10 old 12-speed bike. All you need is a pair of old Ergo's and a SIS RD. Compressionless cable housing and ramped cogs are not strictly necessary, but do improve the user experience significantly.

, Thank you for that! Cheers!

aluminummonster 06-12-20 07:44 PM

Just finished this one up. It's an '87 Schwinn Circuit with a Columbus SL/SP frame. Built from the frame up with an 8 speed Campy Mirage group (except the front derailleur which is a Suntour 4050). Also repping a Yellow Jersey water bottle--easily my fave shop.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ff1cdde728.jpg

sdn40 06-12-20 08:31 PM

aluminummonster Nice work. What's the ride report ? Fast ? Smooth ? Any comparisons ?

aluminummonster 06-12-20 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by sdn40 (Post 21531110)
aluminummonster Nice work. What's the ride report ? Fast ? Smooth ? Any comparisons ?

Very smooth, and less flex than my Trek with a full 531 frame and fork. Also gotta give a shout out to you for passing the frame onto me!

veganbikes 06-12-20 09:58 PM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a1cd73d2.jpeg
8 speed Tricolor, though the cranks and front derailleur are decidedly more modern and the wheels are ultra modern 6800. Fun bike though really should go ride it tomorrow.


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