The "Before And After" Thread
#3002
Junior Member
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 166
Likes: 134
From: Arizona
Bikes: 92 GT Arette, 78 Paramount, 2012 Pugsley, Mid 70s Gilmour, 74 Centurion LeMans
~1974 Centurion Le Mans
Before: My Wife sent this pic from the thrift store last July, said "it's $35 and has the pretty thingy's where the tubes come together like on your red bike" (That's my Paramount). "Do you want me to buy it?"
"Hell Yea!" I answered.
After: My new gravel/x-bike. Mostly built it out of parts I had laying around from donor bikes & spare parts except for the seat & tires. Only kept the handlebars, crank & front derailleur (I don't have a Shimano bottom pull FD on hand, and the shifter seems to work with the Suntour derailleur. Most importantly it's fun to ride.
"Hell Yea!" I answered.

After: My new gravel/x-bike. Mostly built it out of parts I had laying around from donor bikes & spare parts except for the seat & tires. Only kept the handlebars, crank & front derailleur (I don't have a Shimano bottom pull FD on hand, and the shifter seems to work with the Suntour derailleur. Most importantly it's fun to ride.
#3003
Francophile

Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,784
Likes: 2,094
From: Seattle
Bikes: Lots
1972 Schwinn Paramount P-13.

All I can say about this is *ugh*.

Painted Gios blue. I did not like any of the stock Paramount colors and wanted something that helped the decals pop. Thanks to Jack at Franklin Frames for the superb repaint.

All I can say about this is *ugh*.

Painted Gios blue. I did not like any of the stock Paramount colors and wanted something that helped the decals pop. Thanks to Jack at Franklin Frames for the superb repaint.
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Keeping Seattle’s bike shops in business since 1978
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#3004
Member


Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 483
Likes: 671
From: Oregon
1992 Schwinn Crosspoint
It was not hard to nail down the vintage of this one. I found that Schwinn only made them for one year as part of a line of four “cross” models. I also have a Crosscut, so I may now find it hard to resist completing the set.
Before:

I got the frame without the fork from my local community bike shop in January. I dug the British Racing Green color and the paint was in pretty good shape. I used liquid model paint to touch up the nicks. I had a Kenesis alloy fork that I painted to match with automotive touch up paint. Although it’s also British Racing Green, it’s more teal than the frame paint. Close enough for rock’n’ roll. To mimic the colorway of the original, I used tan-wall touring tires, a brown seat, and brown bar tape.
After:

Some knucklehead made off with the Schwinn badge (probably to try to sell back to me on eBay) so I made a new one. Take that! (I mean, not literally, not again.)

A lot of the components are from my parts bins, such as the brake calipers, wheels, 8-speed cassette, Sugino triple crank, SunTour bear trap pedals, and the quill adapter. I got the set of matching Exage derailleurs from the community bike shop for $5 each.

I set it up for all-weather riding because I’m planning to ship it to New York to ride in the Five Boro Tour with my son in early May. After shipping myself and the bike cross country, I’m riding, rain or shine.
I’m so far liking the way it rides, although I could probably get a more compliant ride with a steel fork. I may replace it at some point. This might also be a bike to try some alt handlebars on.
Before:

I got the frame without the fork from my local community bike shop in January. I dug the British Racing Green color and the paint was in pretty good shape. I used liquid model paint to touch up the nicks. I had a Kenesis alloy fork that I painted to match with automotive touch up paint. Although it’s also British Racing Green, it’s more teal than the frame paint. Close enough for rock’n’ roll. To mimic the colorway of the original, I used tan-wall touring tires, a brown seat, and brown bar tape.
After:

Some knucklehead made off with the Schwinn badge (probably to try to sell back to me on eBay) so I made a new one. Take that! (I mean, not literally, not again.)

A lot of the components are from my parts bins, such as the brake calipers, wheels, 8-speed cassette, Sugino triple crank, SunTour bear trap pedals, and the quill adapter. I got the set of matching Exage derailleurs from the community bike shop for $5 each.

I set it up for all-weather riding because I’m planning to ship it to New York to ride in the Five Boro Tour with my son in early May. After shipping myself and the bike cross country, I’m riding, rain or shine.
I’m so far liking the way it rides, although I could probably get a more compliant ride with a steel fork. I may replace it at some point. This might also be a bike to try some alt handlebars on.
#3006
Not lost, just exploring

Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 1,759
From: Near the Heart of OH
Bikes: '25 Jamis Renegade S1, '18 Quick 1,'04 Trek 2300, '97 730 Multitrack, '95 750 Multitrack, and a few others
My curb find 730 Multitrack
Before:
AceraX 3x7 drivetrain & Acera wheel set
PostModerne seat post and adjustable stem

After (minus a saddle and stem change over the weekend)
2x11 105 5800 with FSA crank
Microshift Centos shifters
Mavic Wheels with 105 5501 hubs
Shimano Alivio 4100 brakes and levers
SKS fenders
Before:
AceraX 3x7 drivetrain & Acera wheel set
PostModerne seat post and adjustable stem

After (minus a saddle and stem change over the weekend)
2x11 105 5800 with FSA crank
Microshift Centos shifters
Mavic Wheels with 105 5501 hubs
Shimano Alivio 4100 brakes and levers
SKS fenders
Last edited by Trav1s; 04-10-24 at 06:28 PM.
#3007
Member


Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 483
Likes: 671
From: Oregon
To me, it’s amazing they produced those good bikes as the company was in the last stages of being mismanaged into the ground. As anyone knows who’s been through the experience of working for a company that’s circling the drain and then gets acquired, it’s not easy to do your best work in those circumstances. I have similar admiration for the people who worked for SunTour at the end of their heyday.
#3008
Steel is real



Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,480
Likes: 2,578
From: Not far from Paris
Bikes: 93GiantTourer,92MeridaAlbon,96Scapin,98KonaKilaueua,93Peugeot Prestige,05CasatiClipper,98Jamis Dragon,95Tange Prestige(to be built),98VettaTeam,95Coppi,93Grandis,Daccordi x3(in build),98Piton(in build),99Trek SLR2300
My 1993 Giant Tourer hybrid back 10years ago

My 1993 Giant Tourer after this year's update

XT 780 T transmission and vbrakes replaced the oudated Altus alongwith cantilevers and Mavic A 719 high end gravel rims replaced the low end Alex rims. It is smoother and faster to ride not to mention much lighter.

My 1993 Giant Tourer after this year's update

XT 780 T transmission and vbrakes replaced the oudated Altus alongwith cantilevers and Mavic A 719 high end gravel rims replaced the low end Alex rims. It is smoother and faster to ride not to mention much lighter.
#3009
Before: My Wife sent this pic from the thrift store last July, said "it's $35 and has the pretty thingy's where the tubes come together like on your red bike" (That's my Paramount). "Do you want me to buy it?"
"Hell Yea!" I answered.
After: My new gravel/x-bike. Mostly built it out of parts I had laying around from donor bikes & spare parts except for the seat & tires. Only kept the handlebars, crank & front derailleur (I don't have a Shimano bottom pull FD on hand, and the shifter seems to work with the Suntour derailleur. Most importantly it's fun to ride.

"Hell Yea!" I answered.

After: My new gravel/x-bike. Mostly built it out of parts I had laying around from donor bikes & spare parts except for the seat & tires. Only kept the handlebars, crank & front derailleur (I don't have a Shimano bottom pull FD on hand, and the shifter seems to work with the Suntour derailleur. Most importantly it's fun to ride.

#3010
Junior Member
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 166
Likes: 134
From: Arizona
Bikes: 92 GT Arette, 78 Paramount, 2012 Pugsley, Mid 70s Gilmour, 74 Centurion LeMans
I have a question about that, could I run the cable housing right to the adjuster? Right now when I adjust the seat it either loosens or tightens the brake by moving the bracket on the seat post.
#3011
Senior Member


Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 6,169
Likes: 1,797
From: Madison, WI USA
Yes, the donor brake should have a cable housing going directly into the adjuster, exactly the same way as you have it on the front. The stop that's attached via the seat binder is part of the old original brake setup. You should remove it and store it with those brakes, so it will be available if they're used on some other bike.
#3013
Senior Member

Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,071
Likes: 1,179
From: North Ogden, Utah
1996 Gary Fisher Aquila as found from the thrift store:





Changed the shifters and brake levers, replaced the broken front derailleur for a exact match I had on hand, swapped the stem for better positioning, fresh rear brake cable and F&R brake pads, tires I had on hand, pedals on hand, and new Oury grips and new bottle cages for a splash of color. It didn’t need much, really. The paint is in great shape!
After:





“Man’s best friend”





Changed the shifters and brake levers, replaced the broken front derailleur for a exact match I had on hand, swapped the stem for better positioning, fresh rear brake cable and F&R brake pads, tires I had on hand, pedals on hand, and new Oury grips and new bottle cages for a splash of color. It didn’t need much, really. The paint is in great shape!
After:





“Man’s best friend”
#3015
Junior Member

Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 140
Likes: 45
From: Dallas
Bikes: Current Stable: 1973 Mercian Vincitore;1985 CIOCC Designer'84;1988 Raleigh "531c USA" ;1990 LeMond Maillot Jaune Z Team; 1991 Fuji Titanium;1996 Calfee LunaPro-Lemond Z team Tribute Replica; 2013 Wilier Zero.Seven
86 Paramount

Before (fireball red)

After (Porsche Racing Yellow)
#3016
Junior Member

Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 140
Likes: 45
From: Dallas
Bikes: Current Stable: 1973 Mercian Vincitore;1985 CIOCC Designer'84;1988 Raleigh "531c USA" ;1990 LeMond Maillot Jaune Z Team; 1991 Fuji Titanium;1996 Calfee LunaPro-Lemond Z team Tribute Replica; 2013 Wilier Zero.Seven
87 Raleigh Racing USA
The Raleigh is in progress

Before, the way it’s been for nearly a decade

After, pretty much oem except now the head tube is black. Now I need to decide cables and handle bar tape. The drivetrain was Shimano, now it’ll be Campagnolo 😀

Before, the way it’s been for nearly a decade

After, pretty much oem except now the head tube is black. Now I need to decide cables and handle bar tape. The drivetrain was Shimano, now it’ll be Campagnolo 😀
#3018
Not lost wanderer.


Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,684
Likes: 1,422
From: Lancaster, Pa
Bikes: Cambodia bike,2012 Fuji Stratos...
My Surly Steam roller


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72 Geoffery Butler, 72 Gugificatizion Witcomb, 72 Raleigh Gran Sport SS, 74 Raleigh GrandPrix dingle speed, 74 Raleigh international, 81 Centurion Pro-Tour, 85 Gazelle Primeur, 29rBMX, Surley Steamroller 650b
72 Geoffery Butler, 72 Gugificatizion Witcomb, 72 Raleigh Gran Sport SS, 74 Raleigh GrandPrix dingle speed, 74 Raleigh international, 81 Centurion Pro-Tour, 85 Gazelle Primeur, 29rBMX, Surley Steamroller 650b
#3019
I AM AI
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 4,285
Likes: 1,160
From: Tucson, AZ
Bikes: 2008 S-Works Roubaix SL, 1979 Raleigh Comp GS, 1978 Schwinn Volare
Great job on the bike. Can't take my eyes off the coral snake.
Love it.
Love it.
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A race bike in any era is a highly personal choice that at its "best" balances the requirements of fit, weight, handling, durability and cost tempered by the willingness to toss it and oneself down the pavement at considerable speed. ~Bandera
#3020
#3021
Junior Member

Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 140
Likes: 45
From: Dallas
Bikes: Current Stable: 1973 Mercian Vincitore;1985 CIOCC Designer'84;1988 Raleigh "531c USA" ;1990 LeMond Maillot Jaune Z Team; 1991 Fuji Titanium;1996 Calfee LunaPro-Lemond Z team Tribute Replica; 2013 Wilier Zero.Seven
#3022
Senior Member




Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 16,082
Likes: 9,441
From: PDX
Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2
Brilliant!
#3023
Senior Member




Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 10,287
Likes: 9,797
From: Utah
Bikes: Paletti,Pinarello Monviso,Duell Vienna,Giordana XL Super,Lemond Maillot Juane.& custom,PDG Paramount,Fuji Opus III,Davidson Impulse,Pashley Guv'nor,Evans,Fishlips,Y-Foil,Softride, Tetra Pro, CAAD8 Optimo,
A few more of the latest ones.
Holdsworth Professional:

The Holdsworth Professional as it arrived

The initial rebuild

How I converted it back to a proper drop bar
Miele Latina:

Not bad but a hodge podge of parts

Now rocking full Tri-color setup but with newer STI shifters. This one is really quite good on the road.
Sancineto:

Mirage 8 speed is how I got it.

Dull weatherer paint

Now with Chorus 8 speed and running so smoothly courtesy of Jake at The Bike Shoppe

Found plenty of shine in the paint with some work.
Holdsworth Professional:

The Holdsworth Professional as it arrived

The initial rebuild

How I converted it back to a proper drop bar
Miele Latina:

Not bad but a hodge podge of parts

Now rocking full Tri-color setup but with newer STI shifters. This one is really quite good on the road.
Sancineto:

Mirage 8 speed is how I got it.

Dull weatherer paint

Now with Chorus 8 speed and running so smoothly courtesy of Jake at The Bike Shoppe

Found plenty of shine in the paint with some work.
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Steel is real...and comfy.
Steel is real...and comfy.
#3024
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Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 10,287
Likes: 9,797
From: Utah
Bikes: Paletti,Pinarello Monviso,Duell Vienna,Giordana XL Super,Lemond Maillot Juane.& custom,PDG Paramount,Fuji Opus III,Davidson Impulse,Pashley Guv'nor,Evans,Fishlips,Y-Foil,Softride, Tetra Pro, CAAD8 Optimo,
And this Sirrus wasn't all that bad:

How it was picked up

How it's finished, total tear down and rebuild

Lots of metal polish work

And paint work

How it was picked up

How it's finished, total tear down and rebuild

Lots of metal polish work

And paint work
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Steel is real...and comfy.
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