I purchased a track bicycle from someone recently. He did not know what the make of the frame was... A couple of shops could not tell me. I have posted pictures on flickr...

https://flickr.com/photos/ofstuff/set...7603454513383/

Serial on bottom bracket is 18414 as far as I can tell. Has Brev. Campagnolo track drop-outs

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Taylor

raleigh?

My friend has a very similar Carlton. One of their trademarks was the seat stays go over and around the seat post. Could also be a Raleigh as Raleigh eventually bought out Carlton. Roger

It is not drilled.

Looks British.

Here are a couple of pictures of the Carlton. The fork is not original and we added the rear brake when his daughter was using it at college as a single speed.

that looks kinda like a road frame with track ends installed.
what is the rear spacing and what hub is on the rear? you are in austin aren't you? i saw that on craigslist.

it looks like a true track frame to me. By todays standards the geometry might seem slack but at the time it looks like a track geometry. The pictures you have are very poor. Better close-ups of the seat cluster and head lugs would help. Also do you know the threading of the bottom bracket? I have no doubt that if anyone can ID this bike it is the Folks at classic and vintage or Classic Rendezvous but we need a lot more info from you first.

Rear spacing is 120.65mm. The hub and wheel are not original. I do not know the threading of the bottom bracket. What do I need to do to figure that out? I have uploaded more photos with closeups of all the lugs. I noticed on the head that under the paint there is an outline of the letters W and B. Not sure if that was an old sticker or a logo that came with the bike originally. There are also some letters KGF (or CGF?) on the bottom bracket portion of the frame.

Photos are on flickr

https://flickr.com/photos/ofstuff/set...7603454513383/

Happy to provide any other info that would be helpful

The Carlton's are a def. possibility. Just have not seen an exact match on the lugs.

IDing this bike is beyond my knowledge but WB made me think W B Hurlow (a Marquee I know little about) and the BB jives with that guess. Check the last photo here: https://www.hetchins.org/hurlow01.htm

Again this is just a huge guess on my part, but if it is a Hurlow, you have one fine bike. What makes me think it is not a Hurlow is the lack of lug filing, and the W B on the headtube is unlike any I can find upon simple google searches.

I should have mentioned this before but how about some close-ups of the fork crown. I'm not so sure he would have used campagnolo drops on his track frames, but that is only based on seeing one track bike on classic rendezvous.

The hurlow frames look very nice. I think the fork on this bike is probably not the original... well I say that because of the front brake... of course that could have been drilled after the fact. I have uploaded 2 photos of the fork crown to the same flickr set (link above).

I did not mention before... but the person I got this from rode it on the velodrome in Houston. He has had quite a few track bikes so I am sure it is a track frame...

Someone mentioned that this may be a 1983 Holdsworth Professional track frame. What is interesting is Bill Hurlow was building frames for Holdsworth.

I have not bee able to find any good info on the KGF myself.

I am ignorant, but that has never kept me from adding my 02...this bike feels much older to me that 1983. Does anyone recognize the lugs? I don't, and that adds to my case, a little.

I think it may be older... The main thing is Hurlow has been building for a *long time* so it could be an early one (if it is from Hurlow).

It is common on British bikes to be drilled for a front and rear brake when new, as it allowed you to ride the bike on the road for time trials, hill climbs and of course training. The reason that so many people have thought that your bike looks like a road bike with track ends fitted later is because it IS road geometry. Hurlow, Gillott, Hobbs, Bates,.... they ALL built bikes in the same vein as yours.

Cool bike!

Might be some help https://www.oldskooltrack.com/files/links.frame.html

Thanks that is helpful. Have had lots of people saying it is French. The seat lugs are very similar to Motobecane Grand Record. I will be checking threading on BB ASAP.