Cottered Cranks
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Cottered Cranks
I've stripped my Raleigh Twenty down, and removed most of the paint, but I've had to work round the cranks. As far as I'm aware with cottered cranks, you undo the bolt then give the pin a firm tap with a hammer - am I misinformed? The pins don't move and if I hit them any harder I'm going to risk damaging the thread. It's an inconvienience more than anything (I can tape up for the respray and at the moment the BB is running nicely). Any tips?
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Don't mess with old cottered cranks unless you really have to.
Getting them off is tricky, and as you noted, if you ruin them you will never get them off without drilling them out - and that is a task for a machinist.
Getting them off is tricky, and as you noted, if you ruin them you will never get them off without drilling them out - and that is a task for a machinist.
#3
The Flying Scot

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I always used to soak them in penetrating oil, undo the nut and protect the thread with a block of wood.
You could also try loosening the nut and riding the bike for a bit. It's obvious as soon as they come loose, but stop right away.
You could also try loosening the nut and riding the bike for a bit. It's obvious as soon as they come loose, but stop right away.
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1964 Flying Scot Continental (531)
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1980s Holdsworth Mistral fixed (531)
2005 Dahon Speed 6 (folder)
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plus je vois les hommes, plus j'admire les chiens
1985 Sandy Gilchrist-Colin Laing built 531c Audax/fast tourer.
1964 Flying Scot Continental (531)
1995 Cinelli Supercorsa (Columbus SLX)
1980s Holdsworth Mistral fixed (531)
2005 Dahon Speed 6 (folder)
(YES I LIKE STEEL)
2008 Viking Saratoga tandem
2008 Micmo Sirocco Hybrid (aluminium!)
2012 BTwin Rockrider 8.1
#4
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cottered cranks
A GOOD LBS will have the proper tool to remove those pins.
Barring that, back the nut off a couple threads, hold a flat bar, or something, on top of the nut and hit it with a 3lb hand sledge. When it moves, back the threads off a few more turns. Hit it again.
Another method is using a very strong C clamp --not a light 2 or 3" clamp. but a 5 or 6" one that is heavy and strong. Loosen the nut and then place a short strong hollow tube over the pin, on the opposite side of the nut, then tighten the clamp. This simulates the special tool the LBS should have.
BTW, those pins shouldn't cost more than a dollar if you have to replace them. There are several sizes, so take the old one with you if replacement should become necessary.
Don't be intimidated! It is not a difficult job. And I, personally, consider it absolutely essential to grease the BB when over hauling a bike. Once it is apart, you can decide if you want to upgrade it to the more common square taper cranks.
Barring that, back the nut off a couple threads, hold a flat bar, or something, on top of the nut and hit it with a 3lb hand sledge. When it moves, back the threads off a few more turns. Hit it again.
Another method is using a very strong C clamp --not a light 2 or 3" clamp. but a 5 or 6" one that is heavy and strong. Loosen the nut and then place a short strong hollow tube over the pin, on the opposite side of the nut, then tighten the clamp. This simulates the special tool the LBS should have.
BTW, those pins shouldn't cost more than a dollar if you have to replace them. There are several sizes, so take the old one with you if replacement should become necessary.
Don't be intimidated! It is not a difficult job. And I, personally, consider it absolutely essential to grease the BB when over hauling a bike. Once it is apart, you can decide if you want to upgrade it to the more common square taper cranks.
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Consider replacing the crankset with cotterless upon reassembly. I hate cottered cranks ...
When pounding out a pin, make sure you support the crank itself, to avoid transferring the impact to the bearing surfaces.
When pounding out a pin, make sure you support the crank itself, to avoid transferring the impact to the bearing surfaces.
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Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#6
Thanks - I think for the time being I'll keep them on and paint the frame round them. If/when the BB goes I'm probably going to have to go for a Phil Woods special and I can replace the cranks then. At the moment the BB is fine, and I've got the original heron design chain wheel.
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