^^^
That Bertin is SWEET!

Look at how low the derailleur is on the Moto .

East Hill

Here's the TALBOT frame I was talking about.
(sorry the pic is pretty bad; I don't have my camera on me)

It's just about complete, I'll post pic when I'm finished.

Miyata made a 45cm 610 touring bike (50cm top tube) in 1986, as well as a 49cm 610 with a 52cm top tube--I know because I have both bikes! Terry also made a lugged steel Symmetry in the early nineties in a 45cm, with a an even shorter top tube of 48cm! Like Easthill, I am vertically-challenged in leg length, so I'm looking for the 'little' rides!

nice,
I would love to see that complete
that's kinda been my vision, don't know how practical or realistic
it is,
I've talked to a couple custom builders, one local and I even talked to
Seven about building a bike, and they all had differrent points of
view about 650 vs 700 wheels and what it does to riding performance.
One builder practically refused to build it unless it was 650 wheels.

But that's a different subject as to ever finding a vintage lugged bike.
It will be interesting to get your feedback on how it handles and how it will look.
we always see these bikes that have been compromised for fit.. ie a 63cm frame
or bikes for short people, or even long legged people,
then you see a 55cm bike for a 5'10" guy fitting and handling PERFECTLY like they are one.

and maybe I'm chasing an ideal that doesn't exist

.... at least the chase is fun

Here's some pics of a vintage 45 cm bike I had for a while. It was made with 700c wheels which look a bit strange on such a small frame, also, it had some toe overlap with the front wheel. I believe its still somewhere in the Seattle area. Don

thank god when clipless came out
I had an all aluminum Motiv roadie with 700c wheels and metal toeclips
in around '85 .. it was almost dangerous
I think that is beautiful and would be fun too ride
and the proportions aren't that bad at all....
until you are in the middle of a group and the differences get exagerated

If you'd like to see my bikes, by the way, just click on the Vintage Bicycle Liberation Front link in my signature.

I should include the story of the Sachs though .

East Hill

I see a pink centurian in the background
how do I get to pics???
do I need to create a log in?
hmmm I may not get any work done today..
I'd love to see your stable
as of now I have a 2003 TCR composite (44cm 525 tube with a 50 cm stem)
a 2002 Allez (47cm, 50cm top tube and 60 stem)
a 2003 Felt f65 (47cm, 49 tob tube 70cm stem, and 650 wheels)
a 85 Vitus (46cm, 50cm toptube and 700cm wheels, Dura ace and 600)
and other mountian bikes and countless stems, seats and handlebars
I usaully try and keep it down to this many at a time..
all of them have 165 cranks, (including the Vitus, 7410's)

see ... no lugged steel

Just go to the individual forum--most of them are in the United States forum, although there's a Woodrup frame in the UK forum.

https://meandmybicycles.proboards50.c...gi?board=idusa

You don't need an account to see the photos. I don't own all of these anymore, but they have all passed through my hands.

East Hill

wow love the photos
thanks
that took me back to an old steel bianchi I had with the wheel setup like that
VERY heavy bike
so compared to the bikes youv'e ridden
how do you like the ride and frame compostion (with the 24's) of that Sach's?
how do you like the fit and ride with the different wheels?
(I'm trying to ignore the fact that it's a Sach's and the story)

44cm Fuji on eBay

St. Louis CL: Schwinn Varsity frame: red 45cm

Speaking of bicycles for the petite rider, I pulled a NZ (built under licence by Morrison) Raleigh out of the scrap recycling pile at the rubbish tip this morning. It has a 3 speed shimano hub and rolls on 24 inch wheels. The frame is just 16inches (40cm) tall between the centre of the bottom bracket and the top of the seatpost lug.
My word it's a little cutie; - it was originally silver before the surface rust got to it and the mudguards are blue. To my great surprise I even found an old NZ Transport Dept inspection sticker on the frame dating from the 1970's. The precise date is too faded to read unfortunately.
Yes it's true, once upon a time the traffic cops would go around the schools and inspect everyones' bicycles to make sure they were safe to ride. Doesn't happen these days sad to say, but then on the other hand hardly any children ride a bike to school anymore. When I was going to school on any typical day the bike racks would be full to capacity with bikes. In those days you could even see adults out on the roads bicycling to work
I'm not sure what I'll do with this wee Raleigh just yet, but it would be very nice to bring it back to its former glory. It's waaaay too small for me to ride, but it would look very nice hanging from my bedroom ceiling; - it could keep my old 'Wearwell' Club fixed gear bicycle company

I know East Hill is never going to let me get away without a picture. My aged digital camera broke so I can't take an instant photo, but this is a catalogue illustration which is identical except for the style of chainguard and it has a plain rear rack instead of the cool leather saddlebag.



Mine has got a 3 speed hub and front and rear caliper brakes too, as well as Morrison's lugged version of a Raleigh front fork.

Isn't it a little cutie

The Sachs is very light, very agile. I haven't been able to take it out nearly as much as I would like, because it keeps raining here, and I really don't want to get it wet .

I was also having a problem with the rear derailleur not being as sharp as I'd like, which cleared up when I cleaned it up .

It's not as twitchy as the Ironman and the Prestige, too. Those two are very fast little bikes, and it takes me a few minutes to get used to them if I have not ridden them in a while.

East Hill

Well, if I ever make it to NZ, you can lend it to me as a rider for my visit!

East Hill

Consider it reserved for you EH

thanks,

I go through a small adjustment when changing bikes too..

and I can't imagine EVER not factoring in the "Sach's factor"

44cm NOS Fuji Supreme