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Old 04-04-08 | 02:46 PM
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AARRGGHH...Headset issues

I bought a new 1" threaded 105 headset for my 88 Japanese Bianchi. I put on the cups...all good so far...go to put the race on the fork...hmmm its resisting. I take it to LBS and the guy says this is 26.4 and you need a 27 for your fork. Look in the catalog and see the Deore headset utilizes a 27 mm race. He calls Shimano and they tell him they are incompatible. My question is what to do now...

Remove cups and sell headset for a loss - I hate this idea.
Try the Deore race anyways - Risky and the the race alone is 14$ !!
File or mill the fork down until the 26.4 mm race works - I have no experience, hope someone else does
Drink a beer and stew

This is obviously my first time doing this, and I really wish the shop I bought this from would have at least asked if I knew there were differences...I would have measured the fork to make sure!
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Old 04-04-08 | 02:50 PM
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Find a LBS that can mill the crown race of the fork down from 27.0 to 26.4. This is a fairly standard procedure for a well-equiped shop.
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Old 04-04-08 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by amillhench

Remove cups and sell headset for a loss - I hate this idea.
Try the Deore race anyways - Risky and the the race alone is 14$ !!
File or mill the fork down until the 26.4 mm race works - I have no experience, hope someone else does
Drink a beer and stew

This is obviously my first time doing this, and I really wish the shop I bought this from would have at least asked if I knew there were differences...I would have measured the fork to make sure!
fortunately I have access to a shop which allows you to pay per use their tool... a community bike shop. Any shop should have a stear tube vice thing. The goes in a bench vice... You can then carefully file the fork down to 26.4 using slow even strokes with the file and turning the fork constantly. I have done this to make a 105 headset fit on a schwinn premis. Didn't keep the frame long though as a Marinoni Special was sent from the big guy above.

Then you can drink beer and be happy!
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Old 04-04-08 | 03:35 PM
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Usually the headset cup size is different by 0.2 mm as well. This can cause problems.
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Old 04-04-08 | 03:59 PM
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Hmmm...well I already beat the cups on
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Old 04-04-08 | 04:22 PM
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Most shops can do that for you. I had it done to a Bridgestone 400 about a week or so. Not a big deal and it cost $10.
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Old 04-04-08 | 06:15 PM
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Find a LBS that can mill the crown race of the fork down from 27.0 to 26.4. This is a fairly standard procedure for a well-equiped shop.
+1. This is the way to go.
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Old 04-04-08 | 06:53 PM
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If your shops aren't well equipped, or like me, you find this out Saturday night and can't wait 'til Monday, 36 grit sandpaper wrapped around a couple fingers works on the race, too.
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I had this issue on the Volare. I turned the inside of the bearing race on a lathe so it was a nice snug but not press fit. No problems so far.
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I'd always opt for the LBS route: the proper tool does a proper job and press-fit tolerance is fairly narrow and hard to achieve by filing or sanding. BUT, that said, I certainly have done it and since I learned the hard way that you can easily go too far and past the tight press-fit all the way to "sloppy": then your new best friend will be LocTite GREEN. An adhesive made just for this sort of application.
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I'm opting for the LBS. Its already been 2 weeks since I bought it, and I still haven't ridden it. I am the most anal retentive moron ever. I buy a cheap bike and spend more on 2 stage automotive paint, headset, saddle, bartape, BB, tires, shoes, etc than the bike probably cost new. Least the time that the fork is in the LBS I can reupholster the $5 dollar fizik.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
I'd always opt for the LBS route: the proper tool does a proper job and press-fit tolerance is fairly narrow and hard to achieve by filing or sanding. BUT, that said, I certainly have done it and since I learned the hard way that you can easily go too far and past the tight press-fit all the way to "sloppy": then your new best friend will be LocTite GREEN. An adhesive made just for this sort of application.
Is there a risk of getting it off center & then having the symptoms of a bent fork -- pulling to one side?
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