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Fissile 05-27-08 07:47 PM

Which Candy?
 
A year ago, I found a NOS fillet brazed Schwinn Superior frame on eBay. I am going to be building up this frame soon using a mix of new and old Campy components. The frame was painted black at the factory, and I'm not too crazy about the color. In addition, I'm going to take this frame to a welder friend so he can can reposition the brake bridge ( make it lower for 700c wheel) as well as add some braze ons (water bottle bosses and the like). That means the paint will have to be removed, so it's going to need a repaint after the brazing. This is not a restoration, so I'm not trying to make it look like an original 1970's Schwinn Superior.

I narrowed down the color choice to either a candy orange, or a candy lime green.

Here is what the candy orange looks like.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3j6z2/s...ctures/CO2.jpg

Here is the candy lime.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3j6z2/s...ctures/CG2.jpg

What would you choose?

King of Kadence 05-27-08 08:18 PM

Get a late eighties lugged schwinn that already has 700c wheels and paint that one.

King of Kadence 05-27-08 08:18 PM

and then go lime.

Fissile 05-27-08 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by King of Kadence (Post 6771142)
Get a late eighties lugged schwinn that already has 700c wheels and paint that one.

Lugged Schwinns from the late eighties were made in Taiwan, the Paramount being the exception. The Superior frame I bought was made in Chicago in 1978. I like the fact that it was handmade in the US. I also like the retro rounded look.

BTW, so far it looks like orange is the runaway favorite.

Siu Blue Wind 05-27-08 08:32 PM

Not anymore. ;)

That green reminds me of the old Varsity.

:thumb:

JunkYardBike 05-27-08 08:39 PM

I'm not usually one to make the argument of the preservationist, but in this case I will. The Superior is a relatively rare frame, and to have found one NOS is even more rare. From a collector's viewpoint, I think it would be a shame to modify and respray an NOS frame.

I might understand if there is some outstanding element in ride quality and sizing that can't be found in other available frames, and you want to modernize it...but it's NOS!

Okay, enough preaching. It's your frameset, it's America. Have at it.

Fissile 05-27-08 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by JunkYardBike (Post 6771256)
I'm not usually one to make the argument of the preservationist, but in this case I will. The Superior is a relatively rare frame, and to have found one NOS is even more rare. From a collector's viewpoint, I think it would be a shame to modify and respray an NOS frame.

I might understand if there is some outstanding element in ride quality and sizing that can't be found in other available frames, and you want to modernize it...but it's NOS!

Okay, enough preaching. It's your frameset, it's America. Have at it.

It's not a frame set, it the frame only, no fork -- frame with headset cups installed. It came in its original box with the shipping papers to the Schwinn dealer.

I've seen complete Superiors, in pretty good original condition, sell in the $200 to $300 range. I don't think there is tremendous collector demand for them. Besides, hunting down an original NOS fork and components would be impossible. The retro look and the fact that it is CroMo and handmade in the US is what appeals to me.

Old Fat Guy 05-27-08 08:50 PM

Candy Lime.

JunkYardBike 05-27-08 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by Fissile (Post 6771308)
It's not a frame set, it the frame only, no fork -- frame with headset cups installed. It came in its original box with the shipping papers to the Schwinn dealer.

I've seen complete Superiors, in pretty good original condition, sell in the $200 to $300 range. I don't think there is tremendous collector demand for them. Besides, hunting down an original NOS fork and components would be impossible. The retro look and the fact that it is CroMo and handmade in the US is what appeals to me.

I need to read more carefully. I automatically assumed it was a lugged "Baby Paramount" version. :o

Still, it's NOS...

nlerner 05-27-08 08:57 PM

Orange! Everyone should have at least one orange bike.

Neal

p.s. I did my Super Sport in candy blue powdercoat.

http://web.mit.edu/nlerner/Public/Bikes/SuperSport8.jpg

cudak888 05-27-08 08:57 PM

EDIT: Thought it was a overstock Paramount Superior for a second there...

-Kurt

Fissile 05-27-08 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 6771391)
Orange! Everyone should have at least one orange bike.

Neal

p.s. I did my Super Sport in candy blue powdercoat.

http://web.mit.edu/nlerner/Public/Bikes/SuperSport8.jpg

That's nice, where did you get the clear cable housing? Not to nitpick, but you've got the wrong quality seal on the seat tube, the fillet brazed frames are Chicago made, not imported.

BTW, do post some more pics.

Fissile 05-27-08 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 6771398)
EDIT: Thought it was a overstock Paramount Superior for a second there...

-Kurt

Originally, the fillet brazed bikes where called Super Sport and Sports Tourer. The Sports Tourer was renamed Superior for the last couple of years of production. The Sports Tourer/Superior differed from the Super Sport in that they had a small threaded BB and forged Huret dropouts with integral dérailleur hanger.

nlerner 05-27-08 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by Fissile (Post 6771477)
That's nice, where did you get the clear cable housing? Not to nitpick, but you've got the wrong quality seal on the seat tube, the fillet brazed frames are Chicago made, not imported.

BTW, do post some more pics.

I think that housing came from Velo Orange, but I don't remember for sure. And on the decal, if I wanted to do an authentic resto, I wouldn't have had it powdercoated candy blue! :)

Not quite up-to-date pics here; I've since installed Dia Compe brake levers and blue Schwinn grips.

Neal

Fissile 05-27-08 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 6771531)
I think that housing came from Velo Orange, but I don't remember for sure. And on the decal, if I wanted to do an authentic resto, I wouldn't have had it powdercoated candy blue! :)

Not quite up-to-date pics here; I've since installed Dia Compe brake levers and blue Schwinn grips.

Neal

Nice. How does she ride?

King of Kadence 05-27-08 09:35 PM

Let's have a photo of this superior.

USAZorro 05-27-08 09:54 PM

I say you paint the Velo Orange. :D

Actually, I like both colors. Good luck with the project.

ken cummings 05-27-08 10:01 PM

That candy orange is all over the place around here, on cars and small trucks. How common. Go with the lime.

Sirrus Rider 05-27-08 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 6771391)
Orange! Everyone should have at least one orange bike.

Neal

p.s. I did my Super Sport in candy blue powdercoat.

http://web.mit.edu/nlerner/Public/Bikes/SuperSport8.jpg

Funny.. I get this extreme urge for blue hard candy :roflmao2::D:love::thumb::D

Kommisar89 05-27-08 11:54 PM

I don't think you could go wrong with either color but I voted for the candy lime.

pastorbobnlnh 05-28-08 03:26 AM

The Orange looks very close to "Radiant Coppertone."

The Green looks very close to "Flamboyant Green."

Pick a really different color from all the different ones Schwinn used on their '60-'70s fillet brazed bikes and go to town! I like your creativity! Reminds me of my efforts to give "Sporty" a second life. This is not the best picture, but the latest one. Schwinn never sold a fillet brazed Super Sport in a version of red. But now I have one!

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...portyMay21.jpg

jfblodi 05-28-08 05:01 AM

While pastorbob's argument is persuasive, if you are set on one of the two, I vote for the orange. :thumb:

John

Fissile 05-28-08 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 6772467)
The Orange looks very close to "Radiant Coppertone."

The Green looks very close to "Flamboyant Green."

Pick a really different color from all the different ones Schwinn used on their '60-'70s fillet brazed bikes and go to town! I like your creativity! Reminds me of my efforts to give "Sporty" a second life. This is not the best picture, but the latest one. Schwinn never sold a fillet brazed Super Sport in a version of red. But now I have one!

That's a nice job. I admit that the candy green looks a lot like a stock Schwinn color, but the orange doesn't look anything like "Radiant Coppertone". Coppertone was more brown than orange. The candy orange I'm thinking about is more of a bright, stab-you-in-the-eye shade of orange. I already have a blue bike, and another that's dark metallic green and silver. The only other color I'm considering is candy purple.

Here is the source of trick auto paints that I'm going to use.

http://www.alsacorp.com/index.htm

borgagain 05-28-08 06:40 AM

What's wrong with black?

Fissile 05-28-08 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by King of Kadence (Post 6771620)
Let's have a photo of this superior.

OK.

Here is the frame as I received it, minus the headset cups. I had a machinist friend make me some aluminum reducing shims for the head tube so I can install a standard 1 inch headset. The seat binder came with the frame.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3j6z2/s...ctures/SU1.jpg

Head badge.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3j6z2/s...ctures/SU2.jpg

Handmade fillets. Retro!
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3j6z2/s...ctures/SU3.jpg

Small threaded BB.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3j6z2/s...ctures/SU4.jpg

Forged Huret dropouts with integral dérailleur hanger.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3j6z2/s...ctures/SU5.jpg


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