petandbikes

here are some of the pics!

Bianchigirll 

thanks for bringing this post back to life. I just learned something new about Ottavia Bottechia. I was told and always thought that he had gone for a traininf ride and simply disappeared. however I just read on Wikipedia that, farmers found him along side the road and took hime to a local bar, then after last rites he was taken to hospital and died 12 days later. although he had a fractured skull and several broken bones. however no evidence of a car accident was found nor was there any damage on his pedals or handlebars to indicate a bike accident.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottavio_Bottecchia

Kommisar89

Those are the strangest dropouts I've ever seen. Front and rear too. You should start a separate thread to inquire about those. There are many experts on the forum who might know what they are but might not be following this thread. My best guess for the bike is still something in the 50's and maybe a mid-range model but that's based on nothing more than that the fork crown resembles those used on the hi-tensile steel forks in the 60s and 70s rather than the one used on the Falck or Columbus forks.

petandbikes

do you know what this one is********************? and from that thread, i maybe understand why there is no drop out or der. hanger on the back of the frame and that why i have a 4 speed spocket on the back wheel "oui ou non" that's yes or no********** and what is stamp on the front of the brake set. thank's

Kommisar89

Ouais, je sais The bike in that picture is a 1950 Bottecchia with Campagnolo Cambio Corsa gear. The dropouts are quite different from yours though n'est pas? The brakes are Universal Model 50. I believe it says Universal<patent number> on the left and Universal again on the right (looking at it from the front). I have a full set of pictures of that bike. I'm pretty sure it's from the same time period as yours but it's not the same model.

petandbikes

It would be nice to see those pics??? the brake set looks like nine but is writen Bottecchia SuperLusso. sorry but the pics is????

Kommisar89

I don't have them online right now. I'll try to post them tomorrow. Those do look like Universal sidepulls. Teodoro Carnielli & Co. was a major Italian bicycle manufacturer. Bottecchia was one of those brands. It would not surprise me if Universal made those brakes to order for Carnielli to sell oem. Even today, although Bottecchia is now owned by another Italian company, they sell many components under the "Bottecchia" brand.

petandbikes

You're right for the brakes they are OEM "made by Universal". The brake lever that's on the right is the original that was on the handlebars, is S.D.S.G. Frein Lam and the other is a hand made. Through out my year, i have pick up alot of vintage components for the museum that i want to start. "THOUGHT, S.D.S.G. is a company that made there on components, but no!!, They are behind Simplex or ARE simplex components, BECAUSE on the rear screw of the hubs is stamp "S"". and i did start a new thread for the Q/r system on the Bottecchia.

Thank's for the help, it's appreciated alot!!!!! and late merry X-mas

Oldpeddaller

Interesting! Nice bike. Never seen a wheel retention system like that before, maybe it's a type of 'safety' wing nut alternative? What happens if you turn them?

Re: "Those decals are varnish type decals which I understand can be difficult to apply if you don't have experience with them. I've never done it myself" - I have used these on vintage Claud Butlers to good effect. You need some 1 to 2 hour outdoor Gold Size (a type of shellac varnish used to hold gold leaf in place on statues, it's quite cheap, not easy to get - try an art supplier - and you don't need much. Gently paint the reverse of the decal with gold size and leave it for 50 minutes or so to get tacky. Clean the area of the frame that the decal is to be applied to with alcohol and let it dry fully. You only get one chance to apply the decal, so get it right first time! Put it in position and press against the frame with the backing paper towards you. Tape the backing paper around the frame with masking tape and leave it to dry overnight. Next day, remove tha masking tape and then soak the backing paper off with water. Let the decal dry again and then carefully coat again over the top with gold size. The decal seems to blend smoothly into the paint - no raised edges.

Good luck!

Kommisar89

Here's a link to the pictures of that 1950 Bottecchia with Cambio Corsa gear.

https://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z...ambio%20Corsa/

stronglight

LAM was a French brake company. I believe the correct abbreviation would be "S.G.D.G" which stands for "sans garantie du gouvernement" - literally: "without government guarantee" - meaning basically that an item is Patented (but the government takes no responsibility whether the thing actually works). This was found on almost all French made components for decades.

Regarding the Hub & Dropout system...

Interesting concept. No outer lock nuts, wing nuts or quick-release skewers and levers were required for the hubs. And I suppose the out-board bearings were intended to carry the load closer to where the weight was transferred down through the frame. I'm sure it failed because the hubs would require a bike frame constructed with those specific proprietary dropouts... and vice versa.

Here is a scanned image which I enlarged from a page of the book "The Dancing Chain" which shows this hub and dropout system as a 1949 innovation. Unfortunately, there is no other caption or annotation in the book describing this or mentioning the manufacturer (if other than Bottecchia).

Oldpeddaller

Fascinating. I've never seen anything like this! Makes that old Bottecchia pretty unique in my opinion. Well worth a decent restoration for that drop out system alone.

Gabu

I have a vintage Bottecchia bike for the late 60's. Here is the decal.

vipselling

Hi Guys!
I'm a new here... So I can make FREE decals for your (with free shipping) restoration works, but I need your photos with applied decals after.
Thank you for your attention. Have a nice day for all.